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Old 02-05-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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I thought it was pretty neat last year when Consumer Reports rated the Tesla S one of the best cars they've ever tested. Now it's interesting to see that owners are just as enthusiastic. For a long time EVs tended to be underperformers, and not very exciting to drive. Tesla has broken that paradigm, and in a remarkably short time, too.

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Tesla Breaks Into Top 5 Brands in Consumer Reports Survey

Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), the youngest U.S. automaker, ranks in the top five brands among people surveyed by Consumer Reports, another accolade from the magazine that rates Teslaís Model S among the best cars itís ever tested.

Tesla was fifth in the poll, up from 11th last year, behind namesake brands of Toyota Motor Corp. (7203), Ford Motor Co. (F) and Honda Motor Co. as well as General Motors Co. (GM)ís Chevrolet, the Yonkers, New York-based magazine said today. The results are from a December survey of 1,578 vehicle owners asked to rank brand attributes including quality, safety, value, design and technology.

Tesla Breaks Into Top 5 Brands in Consumer Reports Survey - Bloomberg
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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Cool Beans. Tesla is running with the big dogs now.

Now for them to come out with a car that more people can afford, instead of the 1% - 5% ers. Which is know is coming soon.

Hopefully they get a foot hold on that before the other big companies jump in. GM was supposed to come out with a Tesla killer, but I have not seen or heard anything other than the threat that they will do it. (The term 'Vaporware' comes to mind)
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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Except its battery cost is hidden, other costs hidden, etc, low reliability. When cold, EV distances decline to 20 miles or less.
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Except its battery cost is hidden, other costs hidden, etc, low reliability.
How is the battery cost hidden? From the Tesla website the 85 kW battery is $12K, and it comes with an 8 year, unlimited mileage warranty. What other costs? Low reliability? Obviously you are not reading what actual owners are saying about their Teslas. That's the whole point of this thread, that in addition to the very high marks Consumers Report testers gave the car ("one of the best we've ever tested"), that owners are raving about it.

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When cold, EV distances decline to 20 miles or less.
Not true. Matter of fact, not even remotely true. Here's an interesting story from Norway, where a Tesla owner registered a 233 mile trip, with power left over, in 21 F weather:

Norwegian Tesla Model S driver goes 233 cold miles on a charge

Oh, and don't miss the article I posted in another thread about two different coast-to-coast trips being made in Teslas... in winter weather! Tesla makes record-setting cross-country trip

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Old 02-09-2014, 12:41 AM
 
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How is the battery cost hidden? From the Tesla website the 85 kW battery is $12K, and it comes with an 8 year, unlimited mileage warranty. What other costs? Low reliability? Obviously you are not reading what actual owners are saying about their Teslas. That's the whole point of this thread, that in addition to the very high marks Consumers Report testers gave the car ("one of the best we've ever tested"), that owners are raving about it.



Not true. Matter of fact, not even remotely true. Here's an interesting story from Norway, where a Tesla owner registered a 233 mile trip, with power left over, in 21 F weather:

Norwegian Tesla Model S driver goes 233 cold miles on a charge

Oh, and don't miss the article I posted in another thread about two different coast-to-coast trips being made in Teslas... in winter weather! Tesla makes record-setting cross-country trip
Why must you continually rain on oil lover's parade with your pesky facts?

City-Data won't let me rep you any more.

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I wonder how far Telsa is from producing a more affordable line of vehicles?
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:31 AM
 
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Why must you continually rain on oil lover's parade with your pesky facts?

City-Data won't let me rep you any more.
Thanks.

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I wonder how far Telsa is from producing a more affordable line of vehicles?
According to their Global Head of Sales at the Detroit Auto Show in January, they'll have a $40,000 "Gen 3" vehicle on the market in 2017.

Detroit Auto Show 2014: $40,000
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Except its battery cost is hidden, other costs hidden, etc, low reliability. When cold, EV distances decline to 20 miles or less.
There is a % decline in range in colder weather for all EV vehicles. Manufacturers are figuring out how to mitigate some of those as well using the data they collect from vehicles in the fleet. One way is to preheat the vehicle when it is plugged in.

I don't know of any model Tesla that drops to 20 miles on a full charge in cold weather, please cite your source.

Like OpenD, I want to know what other costs are hidden? Maybe the fact that the owner of the company is putting out his own "profits" and investment money to build "free" supercharging stations?

Once enough EVs get old enough, we will now the true reliability of the vehicle as a whole. Right now, it sure looks like they will cost a whole lot less to operate than a traditional ICE car.
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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Once enough EVs get old enough, we will now the true reliability of the vehicle as a whole. Right now, it sure looks like they will cost a whole lot less to operate than a traditional ICE car.
AND it looks like they'll have much longer effective service lives. The motor has a single moving part, the transmission has a single gear, the regenerative braking (braking using the motor regenerates electricity) greatly reduces wear on the brakes.

All the other usual things that wear and need replacement on an automobile, like tires, shocks, windshield wipers, etc. will be the same as conventional ICE cars.

Two things that will be different... battery replacement at the end of its serviceable life (currently 8 year warranty) and routine service, which consists of a single annual visit for $600.

And while it will take a while for used-car values to be established for EVs, I think over time they will show a longer depreciation curve on the vehicle, and a shorter depreciation curve on the battery, changing the algorithm for determining a used car's value. And with it, possible changes in the way cars are financed. I've already seen proposals to lease the battery, separately from the car.

One thing for sure... things are changing!
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Old 02-09-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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Yes and Tesla even has "ranger" service where they come to you... And you can prepay the annual service visits so it works out cheaper than the $600 a year. The 4yr pre-paid service is $1900 or less than $500 a visit. If you pre-pay at $600 a visit the ranger comes to you for free and you get unlimited ranger visits. BTW, looks like everything but ties is included. (Brake pads and wipers are included)

Not saying I can remotely afford one of these cars, but it seems to be the wave of the future.

BTW, you don't have to service the car for your warranty to remain in effect... According to the Tesla web-site.
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