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Old 06-03-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Also, to correct myself, I did find specs pages. All 3 of them. 55 Hp. 0-60 9.6 sec. They claim to have seated 6'6'' basketball player and 5'6'' 365 female inside. Comfortably. I found all interior specs. Vehicles will have power windows, power door, AM/FM stereo, a/c, heater, and 2 choices of transmission, manual or automatic. 84 mpg is "to be achieved". And so on.
JUst to counter my own remark that I could not find specs. I did.
And for $6800. Want to buy a bridge? I have a really nice one for sale.

I suspect that these deposits will be as readily refunded as the taxpayer money was that went to Solyndra.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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I was looking at specs for the Morgan Three Wheeler, and was struck by this sentence in the Motor Trend review: "OK, so it's not technically a car. But after exposure to the Morgan 3 Wheeler, any car fan will fall in love."

By most measures the Morgan Three Wheeler would be considered a sports car, a re-imagining of their twin seat 1903 Roadster... two spoke wheels in front, open top, with a 1976 CC V-Twin engine, 5 speed Mazda manual transmission, dry weight 525 kg, 0-62 mph in 6 seconds, top speed 115 mph... something like an Elio that's all grown up... and with a grown up price of about $45K

Morgan 3 Wheeler

But even at that price point it's still considered a motorcycle for registration and licensing and insurance purposes, and it made me wonder... have any of the people who put a deposit on the vehicle considered what it will take for them to get a motorcycle license? In at least a few states a special motorcycle class is required, as well as special written and practical tests. Not that it's that hard to do, but it can take time and effort, above and beyond what a regular drivers license takes. And Catch 22... you can't take the driving test without a cycle, but you can't legally drive a three wheeler to the DMV without a cycle license.

It's the little things that get ya.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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I was looking at specs for the Morgan Three Wheeler, and was struck by this sentence in the Motor Trend review: "OK, so it's not technically a car. But after exposure to the Morgan 3 Wheeler, any car fan will fall in love."

By most measures the Morgan Three Wheeler would be considered a sports car, a re-imagining of their twin seat 1903 Roadster... two spoke wheels in front, open top, with a 1976 CC V-Twin engine, 5 speed Mazda manual transmission, dry weight 525 kg, 0-62 mph in 6 seconds, top speed 115 mph... something like an Elio that's all grown up... and with a grown up price of about $45K

Morgan 3 Wheeler

But even at that price point it's still considered a motorcycle for registration and licensing and insurance purposes, and it made me wonder... have any of the people who put a deposit on the vehicle considered what it will take for them to get a motorcycle license? In at least a few states a special motorcycle class is required, as well as special written and practical tests. Not that it's that hard to do, but it can take time and effort, above and beyond what a regular drivers license takes. And Catch 22... you can't take the driving test without a cycle, but you can't legally drive a three wheeler to the DMV without a cycle license.

It's the little things that get ya.
As I mentioned before...many states have laws requiring motorcycle operators to wear a helmet. I wonder if Eilo points this out to their potential buyers? Even if they could, through some miracle, come close to their price point, it seems like quite the niche vehicle. I can't imagine 1 wheel drive being useful in snow...so you're relegated to a summer or southern vehicle. Unless they come out with a 3WD version. Will it have A/C along with all the other goodies at that $6800 price?
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Here's an interesting Top Gear video about the three-wheel Robin Reliant, which shows pretty well why putting the single wheel in front is not such a good design...

Jeremy drives a Reliant Robin (series 15, episode 1) - BBC Top Gear

Then, for a former vision of the future that is now in the past, a three-wheel concept vehicle from Volkswagen called the GX3.

Volkswagen GX3 News - VW three-wheeler future in doubt - 2006 - BBC Top Gear

Leaving the most dramatic for last, say hello to Energya, a three-wheeler from Canada that looks like it belongs in a Batman movie. They were planning an electric version, but they seem to have dropped off the map around 2009.

Higgins Aube Energya news - Three wheels good - 2008 - BBC Top Gear

Here's another site with more pics.

Canadian company unveils Energya three-wheeled performance vehicle, Gallery 3 - MotorAuthority
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Old 06-04-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I have been doing the rough design of a two passenger car that has one or two closely spaced front wheels like the "Dart" endurance racer as seats in tandem with the engine located in front (amidships) of and driving the rear wheels. By using a rear drive the handling problems of front wheel drive are reduced and by having the passenger seated right behind the driver the tendency to roll over in hard cornering is also lessened.

Any front wheel drive engine and transmission could be used depending on the balance between performance and economy desired. My personal preference would be to make a prototype out of steel tubing with a composite shell and be powered by a Subaru WRX engine. Initial guesstimates indicate a 1400 lb. weight with a 400 Hp engine. That should provide adequate acceleration.

To answer the OP's question I will have to say NO.
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Old 06-04-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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I have been doing the rough design of a two passenger car that has one or two closely spaced front wheels like the "Dart" endurance racer as seats in tandem with the engine located in front (amidships) of and driving the rear wheels.
Seriously, watch the Top Gear segment on the Reliant Robin I just posted above. Not only is it the funniest segment of Top Gear I can remember, it's also a very convincing argument for putting 2 of the 3 wheels of a three-wheel design in the front.
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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All this talk about three-wheel cars... sorry, three wheel MOTORCYCLES, since they cannot be registered as cars... reminds me of what I think was one of the most remarkable motor vehicle designs yet... Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion Car.

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The car featured highly innovative, and ultimately influential, features compared with the common car of the day including: a three wheel design with rear wheel steering and front wheel drive, a longer body (20 feet), and a highly aerodynamic design. Success of the design was realized in its performance efficiencies: the car could transport up to 11 passengers, reach speeds of up to 90 miles per hour, and ran 30 miles per
gallon.

Dymaxion Car | The Buckminster Fuller Institute
Those performance efficiencies may not sound that remarkable today, but this car was designed and several prototypes built in the early 1930s, using existing automotive and aircraft technology!

Due to its steerable rear wheel the Dymaxion Car was capable of a sidewise crabbling movement that allowed it to park in a space only an inch longer than the vehicle, and could do a U turn in its own car length. It was demonstrated to wild acclaim at the Chicago World's Fair until a freak accident caused by another car killed the driver of the Dymaxion, and earned it the label of "death car" in the sensationalistic newspapers of the day. Although design and research went on for years, the commercial prospects for the car ended with that crash.

Here's an interesting timeline for that car's history. Note the 1943 work for Henry Kaiser to redesign the car with a small engine at each wheel and no drive train, achieving 40-50 mpg at highway cruise speeds... in 1943!, and a smaller 5-passenger version in 1953. But about then the prolific inventor's geodesic dome designs began becoming commercially successful, and he dropped active work on the Dymaxion Car.

Dymaxion Car | The Buckminster Fuller Institute
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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. Initial guesstimates indicate a 1400 lb. weight with a 400 Hp engine. That should provide adequate acceleration.
So you essentially want to build a supercar from the ground up?
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:37 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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And for $6800. Want to buy a bridge?

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It gets 84 miles to the gallon on the highway. That means you can go from Detroit to New York City on a tank of gas
Or... you can take one of my $35 cars RT on single fill of FREE cooking oil (VW diesel w/ 25 gal capacity)

50 mpg since 1976... No OPEC or Dinosaurs required

one of many (this one cost a fortune... $300)
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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I was looking at specs for the Morgan Three Wheeler, and was struck by this sentence in the Motor Trend review: "OK, so it's not technically a car. But after exposure to the Morgan 3 Wheeler, any car fan will fall in love."

By most measures the Morgan Three Wheeler would be considered a sports car, a re-imagining of their twin seat 1903 Roadster... two spoke wheels in front, open top, with a 1976 CC V-Twin engine, 5 speed Mazda manual transmission, dry weight 525 kg, 0-62 mph in 6 seconds, top speed 115 mph... something like an Elio that's all grown up... and with a grown up price of about $45K

Morgan 3 Wheeler

But even at that price point it's still considered a motorcycle for registration and licensing and insurance purposes, and it made me wonder... have any of the people who put a deposit on the vehicle considered what it will take for them to get a motorcycle license? In at least a few states a special motorcycle class is required, as well as special written and practical tests. Not that it's that hard to do, but it can take time and effort, above and beyond what a regular drivers license takes. And Catch 22... you can't take the driving test without a cycle, but you can't legally drive a three wheeler to the DMV without a cycle license.

It's the little things that get ya.
Here you can get a temp. motorcycle license. You can't have passengers and it is only good for 90 days (iirc). Too lazy to look it up. I actually got one with the intention of getting a motorcycle endorsement and then decided it wasn't worth it. That time and effort thing. I don't care to ride them anymore either.
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