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Old 09-23-2014, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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I hope this is the last time this needs to be said....Biodegradable plastic can be made from the hemp plant.Now you know one of the reasons the US federal government is waging a global war against the plant.Oil companies and big pharma want no part of a natural substance taking the place of their $$$ products.
Why do you feel the need to keep repeating yourself? We know, we know.

Without doing a lot of work to confirm, I think 21 states are now lined up to allow commercial hemp cultivation once the federal prohibition ends, 7 are lined up for pilots, and I believe there was actual cultivation in Colorado this year.

I don't buy the conspiracy theory, I think it's exactly what the feds have said all along... that since it is a variety of cannabis, albeit with a very low THC content, it can be used to mask the cultivation of the smokin' kind, because its visual ID is the same, its thermal image is the same, its UV image is the same, so it confuses the heck out of DEA spotter plane enforcement.

In Colorado, that isn't so much of an issue now as it was.
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: 712 Richfield Rd. Placentia,California, 92870 USA
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Yes, sure anyone trashes their lawn and garden waste with a plastic bag to dump-yards or any open waste field but no one at all thinks about the chemical side-effect after that.
Finally it shows serious & hazardous environmental impacts, which effect human-life as well as wildlife.

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Old 09-24-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I hope this is the last time this needs to be said....

Biodegradable plastic can be made from the hemp plant.
We use plastic grocery bags as liners for bathroom trash cans. Why doesn't that count as recycling?
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Old 09-24-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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We use plastic grocery bags as liners for bathroom trash cans. Why doesn't that count as recycling?
It is reusing, yes, not recycling, and that's definitely better than merely discarding. But it still winds up in the landfill, and it still consumes non-renewable resources. And since research shows that over 90% of them don't get reused in any way, and that so many just wind up polluting the landscape and the waterways something has to be done to reduce the waste.
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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I hope this is the last time this needs to be said....

Biodegradable plastic can be made from the hemp plant.

Now you know one of the reasons the US federal government is waging a global war against the plant.
Oil companies and big pharma want no part of a natural substance taking the place of their $$$ products.
Sorry, you'll need to KEEP saying it and many more need to START saying it!
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Old 09-28-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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We use plastic grocery bags as liners for bathroom trash cans. Why doesn't that count as recycling?
Because the plastic bag "problem" is about control and money and has little if anything to do with the environment.

Notice how the advent of the laws prohibiting the use of plastic grocery bags also made sure the stores can charge 10 cents or so for paper bags?

What does banning plastic bags have to do with offering an alternative? Nothing. It is about money and simply telling you what you can and can't do.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Because the plastic bag "problem" is about control and money and has little if anything to do with the environment.
This paranoid view simply ignores the fact that laws were promoted by organizations with genuine concerns about the environment, not about the money.

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Notice how the advent of the laws prohibiting the use of plastic grocery bags also made sure the stores can charge 10 cents or so for paper bags?
For the stores that do, it's a compensation for having to stop using cheaper plastic flimsy bags, and the cost passalong for the bags isn't making them any money. Meanwhile, on the rare occasions when I've been caught out and about without my own shopping bag, I've always been offered paper ones for free.

Really, it's no big deal, and not worth fussing over.

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What does banning plastic bags have to do with offering an alternative? Nothing. It is about money and simply telling you what you can and can't do.
That's just your opinion, there are facts in opposition, and you've offered no proof for your claims, so it's not really worth a lot.

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Old 09-30-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Notice how stores used to give you a credit for bringing in your own paper bag or reusable bag? Not anymore.

Why not?

Because the greeners figured out how to throw money at a problem that does absolutely nothing to solve it.

Now, instead of getting a credit when you bring in your own bag (which actually does help) you get charged for getting one from the store and nothing for lowering their costs for using your own.

Its about the money, not the environment. It never was about the environment other than the fragrance of the air freshener at the corporate office where smoke was blown into the faces of those who got invited to workshops and thought they were doing something for the collective good but forgot all that when someone have them a donut and a cup of free coffee.
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:30 PM
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Location: Bran's tree
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I actually reuse plastic bags over and over for many things. They're versatile and not bulky. They can be used to pick up dog poop, as rubbish bin liners, as lunch bags, to store spillable items, to organize things on the go, they can be tied securely, etc.

Whereas paper bags always seem to break on me, or are only good for one time use. And if anything spills, you're screwed. So I think paper bags are more of a waste.

And I hate the reusable bags...they're super bulky, and you have to calculate exactly how many you'll need on agiven shopping trip.

I'm surprised biodegradable plastic bags aren't more common place.
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Old 09-30-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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The retail businesses wanted to stop supplying bags to carry the items they sell you. The idea that law banning plastic bags would help them reach that goal was a sideshow and meant nothing other than to provide the means.

A law stating that stores had to offer recyclable plastic bags would have solved a problem for consumers and the environment. That wasn't the problem though, it was a revenue problem and banning all plastic bags by calling them single use was just what the stores were looking for.

Along came the environmentalists and voila, a ready and willing group to do the dirty deed.
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