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Old 11-29-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Oky doke. I'm so, so sorry, dad.

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Old 11-29-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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I won't likely be around to see it, but I doubt you'll still be laughing when your grandchildren are asking why your generation didn't do more to prevent the environment from being wrecked.
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Old 11-29-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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Did you get rid of the poly fleece jacket that pollutes through releasing micro plastics into the environment? Since you brought up doing something for future generations, it would seem to be the right thing to do and buy natural fiver clothing.

It's on topic and goes right to your statement.
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Old 11-29-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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This drives me crazy. Who's to say what "single use" bags are? I generally use mine, sometimes more than once. I might bring groceries home in a bag, then use it to store food, then use it to carry food, then use it for a trash bag. These laws are generally pushed by people who don't do their own shopping and don't take out their own trash.

All this does in countries like the U.S. is put the burden on consumers to buy their own plastic bag - as usual, shifting the cost from the corporation onto the individual.

If they really wanted to improve the situation, they'd promote research into making waterproof bags out of some version of wood/paper that would break down quickly.
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Old 11-29-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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Did you get rid of the poly fleece jacket that pollutes through releasing micro plastics into the environment?
Yes, I did, thanks, after reading more about the issue. The research is not conclusive, but it's convincing enough to at least raise a serious doubt, so I went with it. And after all, it was just a single windbreaker I had bought while I was traveling somewhere and the weather changed unexpectedly. .

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Since you brought up doing something for future generations, it would seem to be the right thing to do and buy natural fiver clothing.
I generally do. All my other clothing is natural fibers, which I pay many natural fivers to buy.

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It's on topic and goes right to your statement.
No, it was off topic, and clearly was an attempted "gotcha." but I'm glad that in the face of that challenge I can provide a little leadership here and say that when I find that I've been mistaken about something, I have absolutely no problem saying so, and putting in a correction.
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Old 11-29-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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If they really wanted to improve the situation, they'd promote research into making waterproof bags out of some version of wood/paper that would break down quickly.
They do have them, yes, as discussed earlier in this thread. Grocery store size they cost about 20 cents each. You can also buy much larger paper leaf bags that are compostable at Home Depot, and Lowes, among others.

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Old 11-29-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Well. finally you admitted to learning something here, as in getting rid of that poly fleece clothing ...

after I informed you that is was releasing the micro plastic fibers. Congratulations.
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Old 11-29-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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Well. finally you admitted to learning something here, as in getting rid of that poly fleece clothing ...

after I informed you that is was releasing the micro plastic fibers. Congratulations.
Yes, I did, as i freely admit. It simply hadn't come to my attention before. That's what I like about a forum such as this, when it presents credible facts, and isn't being used to work out ego issues.

How about the dozens of facts I have brought to your attention when you were misinformed? When do you plan to start acknowledging them, and cleaning up your stories?
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Old 11-29-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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This drives me crazy. Who's to say what "single use" bags are? I generally use mine, sometimes more than once. I might bring groceries home in a bag, then use it to store food, then use it to carry food, then use it for a trash bag. These laws are generally pushed by people who don't do their own shopping and don't take out their own trash.

All this does in countries like the U.S. is put the burden on consumers to buy their own plastic bag - as usual, shifting the cost from the corporation onto the individual.

If they really wanted to improve the situation, they'd promote research into making waterproof bags out of some version of wood/paper that would break down quickly.
If they really wanted to improve the environment or provide a solution, they wouldn't ban plastic bags which are often used more than once only to stuff huge amounts of plastic sealed grocery products into some so called reusable bag and is often thrown away before it creates a greater waste burden than the plastic bag did in the first place.

Think about it. All that effort to ban a plastic bag meanwhile look inside what the other bag carries and it is filled with things sealed in plastic. Now does that make sense? No.

Go into the grocery store and buy some vegetables. What is the first thing everyone does after picking them and perhaps weighing them? You got it, they pull from a roll one of those thin plastic bags and put the vegetables in them. Head to the meat display, what do you see? Meat wrapped in plastic. Look around, many things in stores are wrapped or sealed in plastic.

What do the ban happy people have to say about it? Absolutely nothing other than let start with this. Yeah, start with something that has a relatively low impact instead of something that would make a huge difference and actually accomplish something.
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Old 11-29-2014, 02:15 PM
 
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Yes, I did, as i freely admit. It simply hadn't come to my attention before. That's what I like about a forum such as this, when it presents credible facts, and isn't being used to work out ego issues.

How about the dozens of facts I have brought to your attention when you were misinformed? When do you plan to start acknowledging them, and cleaning up your stories?
Just as soon as you provide some that can be supported by other than ultra biased sources.
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