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Old 12-13-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Solar Power: Arizona

As I've maintained, follow the money. This article says it like it is.

Read some of the recommendations from the big money, put your roof top panels facing west.

You want solar? No problem, just so long as you aren't doing it yourself and buying it just from those already controlling energy distribution.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Solar Power: Arizona

As I've maintained, follow the money. This article says it like it is.
Yup, as it goes on...

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Sadly, this is a recurring theme in some tech areas. Governments and huge corporations are constantly trying to twist developing technologies in directions that are favorable to them… but at the expense of the average consumer.

For now, utilities are winning the battle. But in the long run, they’ll lose the war.
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Old 12-13-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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Here’s the deal, though: Home solar generators currently receive up to $0.10 per kilowatt hour that they sell to the utility… but SRP wants to reduce that to $0.04.
Why should they pay more for it than they can buy it for elsewhere?
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:28 AM
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There will probably come a time when renewable energy companies are sued under free market laws.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Once battery storage of renewable power becomes cheaper the whole philosophy of power comanies will begin to change. Right now, most solar and wind power costs more than conventional methods because it cannot be stored efficiently. But when the soon to be, newer battery systems become affordable to the mainstream, then more individuals will be able to afford renewable energy and will ditch using fossil fuels. Energy companies will have to adjust as they have in parts of Europe. Some energy companies there are selling off their coal, oil, gas leases and buying into solar and wind in a big way. There are some who believe that Tesla is most interested in producing batteries for electric cars, but I believe he has far grander ideas. Perhaps the reason that he did not move his new battery operation to TX, one of the front runners, because without the income from oil and gas, TX would become a ghost town.
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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Once battery storage of renewable power becomes cheaper the whole philosophy of power comanies will begin to change. Right now, most solar and wind power costs more than conventional methods because it cannot be stored efficiently. But when the soon to be, newer battery systems become affordable to the mainstream, then more individuals will be able to afford renewable energy and will ditch using fossil fuels. Energy companies will have to adjust as they have in parts of Europe. Some energy companies there are selling off their coal, oil, gas leases and buying into solar and wind in a big way. There are some who believe that Tesla is most interested in producing batteries for electric cars, but I believe he has far grander ideas. Perhaps the reason that he did not move his new battery operation to TX, one of the front runners, because without the income from oil and gas, TX would become a ghost town.
Yep,just what homeowners want toxic potentially explosive batteries in the "home" environment.
Yet most think Windows is a problem!
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:08 PM
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It is not the explosive batteries that are the issue in the "home" environment.

Solar just does NOT generate enough electricity for the typical home without being connected to the grid or a generator.
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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Solar Power: Arizona

As I've maintained, follow the money. This article says it like it is.

Read some of the recommendations from the big money, put your roof top panels facing west.

You want solar? No problem, just so long as you aren't doing it yourself and buying it just from those already controlling energy distribution.
I would say installing yourself should follow the inspections of any other electricity. Most people want someone else to be responsible past their lines in energy. I saw now co-ops can be a huge downfall after Rita .Lots of co-ops in service industry for power and water etc.
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:56 PM
 
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Disconnecting from the grid isn't as easy as it seems. When you disconnect, it isn't like you can reconnect because of a weeks worth of cloud cover or rain where you weren't able to charge your battery bank IN ADDITION to running your household.

The utilities aren't about to let you disconnect and re-connect when you decide you want to because the weather didn't cooperate, not without paying rather substantial fees.

Anyone, just what does "affordable" batteries for a typical home on solar mean? Lets put some perspective on this or it means very little. Arguably, solar is affordable now yet not everyone even nearly everyone is buying in.

Try to sell a house that is off-grid for electricity. Not all buyers are ignorant of what is involved and if your batteries aren't new, expect some major conditions on the sale. Would you buy a house that didn't have grid power but was in a grid power available neighborhood knowing that if the batteries didn't have enough capacity to get you through a couple of weeks you'd have nothing? I doubt many people would ante up.

It isn't as simple as it sounds nor as affordable. Doing it from the start is one thing, disconnecting and being totally reliant on rooftop solar and batteries is quite another.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:12 AM
 
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There will probably come a time when renewable energy companies are sued under free market laws.
What "free market laws?"
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