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In a free country raw milk would not be made illegal, nor the transportation or commerce of it. What kind of a government is this that "allows" us to have stuff?
Rights are innate. They are natural. Rights do not come *from* a government.
I don't drink raw milk, but it's none of my business if other people choose to.
It's also none of my business to dictate what others can buy and what others can sell. Besides, how do we even know people buying raw milk are using it to drink? What if it's for their animals? What if they want to dump it into the toilet? Who cares? It's no one else's business.
It becomes the business of us all when we have to pay for the aftermath of the illnesses from drinking raw milk.
Would you do away with all laws designed to decrease the chance that tainted food makes its way into our stores? There is no way to absolutely guarantee that we will never be exposed to food borne illness, but some things are risky enough to be rigidly controlled. Raw milk is one of them, and there are no benefits from it to justify giving it to a child. You might as well feed him raw hamburger.
In a free country raw milk would not be made illegal, nor the transportation or commerce of it. What kind of a government is this that "allows" us to have stuff?
Rights are innate. They are natural. Rights do not come *from* a government.
I don't drink raw milk, but it's none of my business if other people choose to.
It's also none of my business to dictate what others can buy and what others can sell. Besides, how do we even know people buying raw milk are using it to drink? What if it's for their animals? What if they want to dump it into the toilet? Who cares? It's no one else's business.
mapmd: I agree with you within limits of the law. Would you clarify what rights are innate? Being born seems intuitive enough but that's changing... Being able to be who I am but that comes with caveats. Drinking raw milk is my right (but that's not what I consider innate) as it would be to give it to my child. Flushing raw milk is also my right and then it becomes part of the water supply one way or another.
Keep your noses out of other people's business. That's often a theme here in many different threads. That's a good mantra.
Does raw milk taste significantly different from pasteurized and homogenized milk? I have never had it but I love milk so much that I would like to try it at least once to see if there is a difference.
I drank raw milk, yogurt,, cream, and ate raw milk cheese. Never got sick and it is worlds apart from the crap that they sell in the store.
If the customer is knowingly going to accept that risk it's up to them. Eating raw oysters has risks, eating undercooked meat has risks, eating spinach has risks... yet we do it all the time.
Let's carry this idea about "freedom and choice" just a bit further:
Would it be acceptable to you for a restaurant to post a sign for its customers saying: "This food may be spoiled. Eat it at your own risk".
Than, the restaurant goes on to violate all sanitary food regulations. Staff does not wash their hands. Food is left unrefrigerated. Uncooked or half cooked meat is frequently sold to customers. Dishes, pots, and pans are often left unwashed and used again.
The restaurant does this because it has an economic motive to do so. Serving food this way is cheaper and more profitable than abiding by health department regulations.
Let's take this further. Let's say ten people are hospitalized because of food poisoning due to salmonella.
Should the restaurant be able to keep doing what it is doing?
In essence, if you allow a farmer to sell raw milk to anyone seeking to buy it than it amounts to the same thing.
I'm obviously going to disagree with you and we're both entitled to our opinions. I've seen the corruption in government and for the first part of my life, grew up in the old burbs of D.C. where a family member worked for the Dept. of Commerce, the IMF, the House of Economic Advisers, and the list goes on. I have my own reputable sources.
We do agree that good health is important and your path to good health will likely be different from mine. It doesn't negate what you believe and it doesn't negate what I believe. I don't know about the CDC but I do know enough of what the FDA and the SEC have done or maybe a better word is what they ignored.
My father was given 3-6 months to live when he was diagnosed with a late stage neck and throat cancer. He took time to look at different approaches. He used a combination of Western and Eastern medicines with the knowledge of his oncologist and lived @9.5 years longer. Coincidence? Maybe. It also doesn't work for everybody.
Interesting about your father. My father-in-law was forced to retire from his orthopedic surgery practice when he was 57 years old because of prostate cancer that advanced rapidly before it was diagnosed. He was given a year to live. In reality, he lived almost 17 more years before succumbing to another form of cancer just before his 74th birthday. Odd things can happen to individual patients. Sometimes a prognosis can be too bleak. Sometimes the patient responds better to treatment than expected. Sometimes the cancer is not as aggressive as one thinks.
Nevertheless, while interesting it really has nothing to do with the harm that can be caused by food tainted with disease.
The struggle in this country to achieve a safe food supply has been a long and more difficult one than people imagine. It all began in the early 1900's, during the Progressive Era of American history. Teddy Roosevelt was President and a man named Upton Sinclair wrote a classic book, The Jungle about horrific and unsanitary conditions in the meat packing industry. As a direct result of this book, TR proposed that Congress pass a law mandating inspection of foods by government inspectors to stop the sale of unsanitary food and beverages to the public. This law became known as the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1904.
There have been a number of situations where unpasteurized milk, raw milk, has lead to deaths and serious disease in this country.
Some people are too young to get a choice. Some parents choose badly for their children.
The American Academy of Pediatrics has spoken out against the consumption of raw milk precisely because of the potential for the above-mentioned diseases.
The AAP is not the government. Its a private professional organization of physicians. If you won't listen to your government, perhaps, you will heed the advice of physicians in private practice.
People drank raw milk for 1000's of years before pasteurization, etc. It's all about money...
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