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Unfortunately, public schools and colleges are not what they used to be. The fact anyone would talk about climate change in any way other than "I wonder what the climate will be like in a hundred years?' is idiotic. The climate is always in flux. Some of the likely reasons are the solar cycle (maunder cycle of 22 years from peak to peak) in which the solar interior fusion fluctuates slightly. The more sunspots at max, the greater the energy the sun is producing (after 11 years) and when there are little to no sunspots, the fusion is less, with less energy dissipated. There are likely other cycles over longer periods we have not yet picked up on. Earth finally came out of a 'mini ice age' by the early 1920's, which had lasted roughly 800 years. Also, the Sahara desert was basically 'savannah like' with rivers, and a prominent river running roughly from the Nile towards west Africa. This is where it is likely the middle eastern peoples moved from to the Nile area when the desertification started about 7000 years ago.
It is not possible for a gaseous planet with 71 % of the surface covered by water to stay 'stable'.
Keep in mind that the most productive plant growth period lasted about 50 million years when the temperatures were estimated to be (world average) about 11 degrees warmer than today. This is why we now have coal and oil. It is sad to hear the ill read talk about a global catastrophe due to warming or change. Keep in mind that CO2, the supposed villain, is produced by the earth daily in amounts that make human emissions wholly insignificant. Also, the CO2 that is produced is constantly being filtered out of the atmosphere by the oceans (which is why shell fish can have shells and the 'white cliffs' of Dover (England) exist. If the temp does rise, the winds get stronger and wave action increases and increases its accumulation of CO2 (any gases), which helps maintain a balance. We would not have made it this far if this were not true.
The 'global warming catastrophe' is a purely political invention in order to create a 'world wide' crisis in hopes to bring nations closer together to fight a 'common foe', as well as to begin a one world government, managed through a United Nations type structure. The goal in doing so is to bring about world wide marxism (communism).
Always keep in mind what is engraved on the facade of the Library of Congress: "What is past, is Prologue". Earth has its' own protective measures, and it, as time proves, loves life.
I have not seen any scientists say the warming trend is reversible. They say we might slow it down a little bit and possibly make it less severe if we basically stopped using power and machinery.
However that is not going to happen. Demand is ever increasing. Changing over the renewable sources for electricity will not replace our current sources, but it might keep up with new demand. That depends in part on whether electric cars become the universal mode of transportation. However if the USA completely switched to all renewable right now, it would make only an imperceptible dent in global pollution. Even ending all human pollution from machinery, would make only a tiny dent in global warming.
Obviously cutting back on polluting is a good thing. Shutting everything down and watching millions of people die is not an answer. As always the answer is somewhere between the extremes and the answer will not be found in government but in people's thinking. As we are seeing, government can bow out of the issue, and people, including the people who run utilities, will continue to pursue less polluting power sources and machinery. Did we suddenly switch back to coal?
It is... It happens here in Minnesota all the time. Renewable s produce more energy then is needed at the time typically at night. You know what happens then? We shut off the renewable resources and leave the dirt burners and the nukes running...........You and I will never see a world that doesn't use coal, gas or nuclear fired electricity..................
No one will ever replace the horse as a major means of transportation.
And yet NASA just yesterday said that due to the low activity of our sun having sunspots, we're headed for a mini ice age. Humans are not the cause of any climate change. Please don't be so arrogant. We're small potatoes in comparison to the universe. Our weather is due to outside forces way beyond any human control. Kindly remember, at one time the arctic regions were growing trees and Detroit was under tons of ice. Animals adapt and so do humans. Things change, so sit back and enjoy the ride.....or you could just get off planet earth.
Let's go hunt some buffalo and passenger pigeons. Humans can't affect their environment.
That's impossible, without storage of renewable energy somehow. How are you going to do it? Batteries??
I'm all for renewable energy but until there is some way to store it on a grand scale, we're still going to need backup power (if not fossil power stations, then nukes).
Nuke don't make good backup power units. We will need simple cycle gas turbines for a while, but not all forms of renewable generation is intermittent. Hydro, geothermal, solar thermal, etc. are dispatchable.
The point of climate change- which is now happening- is how to deal with its effects.
Some of the effects will be: coastal areas flooding along with houses and salinization of ground water, food supply being changed and made more expensive as crops fail, increased strength of storms, loss & migration of animal species, and human climate refugees.
It is idiotic to deny things that are already happening and not to prepare for inevitable changes. There is nothing political about it except that the right wingers and science deniers are trying to make it so. Don't forget they are trying to lower FEMA's funding and all funding for climate scientists!!! Oh, and it won't be long before they go after federally subsidized flood insurance.
Unfortunately, public schools and colleges are not what they used to be. The fact anyone would talk about climate change in any way other than "I wonder what the climate will be like in a hundred years?' is idiotic. The climate is always in flux. Some of the likely reasons are the solar cycle (maunder cycle of 22 years from peak to peak) in which the solar interior fusion fluctuates slightly. The more sunspots at max, the greater the energy the sun is producing (after 11 years) and when there are little to no sunspots, the fusion is less, with less energy dissipated. There are likely other cycles over longer periods we have not yet picked up on. Earth finally came out of a 'mini ice age' by the early 1920's, which had lasted roughly 800 years. Also, the Sahara desert was basically 'savannah like' with rivers, and a prominent river running roughly from the Nile towards west Africa. This is where it is likely the middle eastern peoples moved from to the Nile area when the desertification started about 7000 years ago.
It is not possible for a gaseous planet with 71 % of the surface covered by water to stay 'stable'.
Keep in mind that the most productive plant growth period lasted about 50 million years when the temperatures were estimated to be (world average) about 11 degrees warmer than today. This is why we now have coal and oil. It is sad to hear the ill read talk about a global catastrophe due to warming or change. Keep in mind that CO2, the supposed villain, is produced by the earth daily in amounts that make human emissions wholly insignificant. Also, the CO2 that is produced is constantly being filtered out of the atmosphere by the oceans (which is why shell fish can have shells and the 'white cliffs' of Dover (England) exist. If the temp does rise, the winds get stronger and wave action increases and increases its accumulation of CO2 (any gases), which helps maintain a balance. We would not have made it this far if this were not true.
The 'global warming catastrophe' is a purely political invention in order to create a 'world wide' crisis in hopes to bring nations closer together to fight a 'common foe', as well as to begin a one world government, managed through a United Nations type structure. The goal in doing so is to bring about world wide marxism (communism).
Always keep in mind what is engraved on the facade of the Library of Congress: "What is past, is Prologue". Earth has its' own protective measures, and it, as time proves, loves life.
It's so nice to see this! Thank you!!! (It would be nice if less people would be influenced by the propaganda out there, but it's good to see some thinking minds).
It's so nice to see this! Thank you!!! (It would be nice if less people would be influenced by the propaganda out there, but it's good to see some thinking minds).
Of course the earth will go on and so will climate epochs- unless there's a nuclear war. And sure, there will be "less people" (make that "fewer" if you respect grammar) to see it because so many will have starved or drowned or died of air and water pollution. Wrap your thinking mind around that.
Amazing how many are still missing the point of how the climate change being caused by human activity is affecting all of us now and in the near future, and can't see the forest for the trees.
On second thought maybe the "communist plot" idea has some validity. The Chinese government has not been benevolent to its own people when it comes to sickening them with pollution- air and otherwise. Getting rid of political dissidents?
Last edited by Hollytree; 04-06-2017 at 05:33 AM..
It's really humorous to hear the climate change deniers babble about our weak education system. I wonder whom they think is building the case for climate change other than highly educated scientists?
........ Also, the CO2 that is produced is constantly being filtered out of the atmosphere by the oceans (which is why shell fish can have shells and the 'white cliffs' of Dover (England) exist) .......
That is not correct. In fact it's the exact opposite of what happens. The oceans are absorbing CO2, that is true, but the shellfish don't have shells because of CO2 and Dover's chalk cliffs don't exist because of CO2.
CO2 is the nemesis of shell fish, corals and chalk (the white cliffs of Dover) amongst other things that are composed of calcium carbonate because CO2 is an acid that dissolves calcium carbonate (shells, chalk, bones, etc.).
The excess CO2 that the oceans are absorbing out of the atmosphere now is causing acidification of the oceans. It's the reason why corals, shellfish and molluscs today are growing thinner and smaller shells or not developing any shells or nacre at all as they grow out of the larval stage. The CO2 is killing them.
The shellfish and molluscs, the krill and plankton that are essential foods near the bottom of the food chain are dying because of CO2. When that vital food source is decreased or gone it will cause a domino effect that will cause the deaths of all other marine life in the oceans. All the way up to the top of the marine food chain, because they all depend on what exists at the bottom of the food chain. And when the marine life is gone it will have a detrimental effect all other life on earth and cause the extinction of many air and land dwelling species that depend on marine life. Everything that has bones or exoskeletons is vulnerable to excess CO2.
Everything on earth depends on the good health and balance of the oceans. Then human kind will be next to go.
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Last edited by Zoisite; 04-07-2017 at 01:17 AM..
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