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Old 06-30-2016, 03:52 AM
 
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Is it too late to prevent climate change? How to prevent climate change from getting worse ?
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Old 06-30-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The climate is going to change with or without human assistance. This is how it has been for millions of years, data shows that there have been cycles of cold events happen about every 140,000 years with interglacial warming between these events that last on average of 30,000 years. We are now in one of those warming events and have been for the last 12,000 years, if not, there would still be ice covering all of Canada and a large area of the Northern United States. This warming is expected to last another 20,000 year with temps increasing to 5-7C over todays temps, Then we can sign a breath of relief when the ice age returns, oh, wait, then we'll have to find something to blame that on.
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Old 06-30-2016, 02:39 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Is it too late to prevent climate change? How to prevent climate change from getting worse ?
Even if the whole world cut back on CO2 emissions immediately, the climate would get worse for awhile, but then it would begin to improve. In other words, the course is set for the short-ish term, due to everything we've been doing wrong so far. Europe is way ahead of North America, though, in developing renewable energy and cutting back on emissions. They've proven it can be done, and done without undue cost to corporations. Germany is the leader there; they recently reached their goal of 100% of their energy supply from renewables.

We've had the knowledge for quite awhile about how to heat and cool homes, office buildings, and factories in a sustainable way. The will has been lacking, though there has been some progress. Check out the website of Rocky Mountain Institute, which has been at the forefront of innovation and corporate outreach for decades.
http://www.rmi.org
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Old 06-30-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Even if the whole world cut back on CO2 emissions immediately, the climate would get worse for awhile, but then it would begin to improve. In other words, the course is set for the short-ish term, due to everything we've been doing wrong so far. Europe is way ahead of North America, though, in developing renewable energy and cutting back on emissions. They've proven it can be done, and done without undue cost to corporations. Germany is the leader there; they recently reached their goal of 100% of their energy supply from renewables.

We've had the knowledge for quite awhile about how to heat and cool homes, office buildings, and factories in a sustainable way. The will has been lacking, though there has been some progress. Check out the website of Rocky Mountain Institute, which has been at the forefront of innovation and corporate outreach for decades.
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I really hate to argue with you and I do respect you opinion but you make statements that are at best clouded and/or half truths. While it is true the Germany momentarily achieved equality in supply vs demand using renewables. It is also true they kept their coal and remaining nukes running at the same time and also relied on Frances heavy use of Nukes to maintain grid stability. No system operator worth his salt will rely totaly on renewable resources to supply their grid. There will always be non-renewable powered generation assets running someplace.... at least as long as anyone this forum is alive.....
I know several will have comments on this but it's a good basic explanation...It mentions Germany as a example........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvdSmPbdLg

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Old 06-30-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Well, at least the Ozone Hole is closing.

Remember the Ozone Hole? Now There's Proof It's Healing.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:12 AM
 
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I really hate to argue with you and I do respect you opinion but you make statements that are at best clouded and/or half truths. While it is true the Germany momentarily achieved equality in supply vs demand using renewables. It is also true they kept their coal and remaining nukes running at the same time and also relied on Frances heavy use of Nukes to maintain grid stability. No system operator worth his salt will rely totaly on renewable resources to supply their grid. There will always be non-renewable powered generation assets running someplace.... at least as long as anyone this forum is alive.....
I know several will have comments on this but it's a good basic explanation...It mentions Germany as a example
I never said they mothballed their conventional energy generating capacity. But they reached an important milestone, and proved it could be done. This is a huge step in the right direction, not a "half truth".
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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I never said they mothballed their conventional energy generating capacity. But they reached an important milestone, and proved it could be done. This is a huge step in the right direction, not a "half truth".
It is... It happens here in Minnesota all the time. Renewable s produce more energy then is needed at the time typically at night. You know what happens then? We shut off the renewable resources and leave the dirt burners and the nukes running...........You and I will never see a world that doesn't use coal, gas or nuclear fired electricity..................
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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It is... It happens here in Minnesota all the time. Renewable s produce more energy then is needed at the time typically at night. You know what happens then? We shut off the renewable resources and leave the dirt burners and the nukes running...........You and I will never see a world that doesn't use coal, gas or nuclear fired electricity..................
Dealing in trend lines.

As long as no new Nukes, Coal, and eventually Gas are built, they will be replaced with Renewable over time.

Can't keep the old stuff running forever, yunno.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And yet NASA just yesterday said that due to the low activity of our sun having sunspots, we're headed for a mini ice age. Humans are not the cause of any climate change. Please don't be so arrogant. We're small potatoes in comparison to the universe. Our weather is due to outside forces way beyond any human control. Kindly remember, at one time the arctic regions were growing trees and Detroit was under tons of ice. Animals adapt and so do humans. Things change, so sit back and enjoy the ride.....or you could just get off planet earth.
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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And yet NASA just yesterday said that due to the low activity of our sun having sunspots, we're headed for a mini ice age. Humans are not the cause of any climate change. Please don't be so arrogant. We're small potatoes in comparison to the universe. Our weather is due to outside forces way beyond any human control. Kindly remember, at one time the arctic regions were growing trees and Detroit was under tons of ice. Animals adapt and so do humans. Things change, so sit back and enjoy the ride.....or you could just get off planet earth.
Come on Trap! can't let a little old thing like science get us off track now can we
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