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Old 03-30-2017, 11:54 PM
 
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Of course it isn't made from dinosaur meat, and no reputable source claims that it is.

Is there some minuscule, completely insignificant portion of it that came from dinosaur corpses? Sure, just like it would contain some amount of amphibian, fish, and proto-mammal components. But 99.9% comes from dead plants, algae, and single cell organisms.

If you took every dinosaur that ever existed and crushed them down, their biomass wouldn't come close to that of the petroleum currently existing within the Earth.

Land dwelling animals are overwhelmingly recycled through the food chain, serving as food for other animals, bacteria, and plants. Only a tiny number would have made it into the swamps or lake bottoms untouched to become Quaker State.
Animals decompose rapidly, the flesh and organs are consumed by insects, birds etc quickly.

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it--evolution comes to mind--you were considered to be either a backward-thinking person or just plain crazy) time has later shown to apparently not be true (at least by the new scientific theory that's going about). What they don't seem to consider is that history repeats itself. At one time, you were thought to be crazy if you didn't think the world was flat.
Evolution and new species and varieties goes on today and can be seen, it's not some ancient phenomenon relegated to the old history books, it's an ongoing process, some species go extinct every year, new ones are discovered, the fairly new "coywolf" animals is an example of how due to wolves being killed off they adapted to a new environment full of humans and started interbreeding with much smaller more adaptable COYOTES, the resulting new Coywolf offspring started appearing in New England as an unidentified canid never seen before. Scientific and genetic testing revealed what they were- hybrids of wolves and coyotes which had always been enemies and different breeding times.


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At one time, you were thought to be crazy if you didn't think the world was flat.
Yes, but these days we have space ships, weather balloons, high altitude jets and more that PROVE the earth is certainly NOT flat, it's settled science since we have photos, videos and observation proof.
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:34 AM
 
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Ah, so there's no more. Every barrel of oil that was supposed to be found is already found. Reminds of the US Patent Office clerk.
Every EASY TO GET barrel, now what's left is the harder much more expensive oil to extract, the oil in tar sands, under 2 miles of ocean etc they can't extract oil at a cost to do so for more than it sells for!
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Not really Larry. The methane in the rocks didnt come first. The oil did. Methane always disassociates under heat and pressure. It all probably started out as liquid or solid methane untill life came along. You know that we are carbon. Carbon is us and carbon is life. Most froms of carbon found on the planet today were living organisms of some sort and in the future will belong to another living organism.

Anyhow oil is made from life. All types of life. Probably only a very small amount of Dino thou.
I beg to differ. The methane came first. Simple molecules like CH4, NH3, H2O, CO2 were the building blocks for complex hydrocarbons.

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Old 03-31-2017, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Real question is,

Do you really believe in dinosaurs?
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Old 03-31-2017, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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The source of terrestrial carbon is an interesting problem in planetary formation. The early earth was a boiling cauldron of magma, way too hot for carbon and it is thought that any carbon was ejected from the planet. There is no known carbon in the core or the mantel of the earth, which makes up 99% of it mass. Carbon only exists in the outer crust. It is thought that the carbon on earth now is from meteor bombardment which for the first billion years or so of the earth's existence was common.

The carbon cycle that has been in existence for the last 2 billion years requires life. There was no methane or any hydrocarbon in the early earth - carbon has a higher affinity for oxygen than hydrogen and can only form hydrocarbons in an anaerobic environment or from certain kinds of cellular metabolism. Prior to life, the carbon cycle was essentially CO2 + water becoming carbonate minerals.
You should publish a paper immediately. DeBeers spends millions of dollars every year mining diamond pipes, which are the remnants of eruptions deeper than any that occur today. Since there is no carbon down there, there are no diamonds. They can go out of business and switch to baking crusts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_pipe
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Gettysburg, PA
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No, you don't have to shut up. But refusing to accept established science simply because it's all sciencey isn't going to get you a lot of praise from those of us who value science. You can yell it from the mountaintops. But some science nerd is going to come up behind you and say, "Um, that's not true, and here are the facts..." So you don't need to "shut up about this too," but neither do I. See how that works? And as much as it is your right to deny science, many of us feel that we must defend it. Now more than ever, unfortunately. And the wacky thing about science is this: if new information comes forward (verified, provable, real information), we change with it. But we don't have to replace scientific thought with "and then magic happened."

The post you quoted mostly means that science IS. Facts exist. They do NOT require your acceptance to be facts. You don't have to believe it, this isn't Peter Pan. It IS, whether you believe it or not. Think of all the facts out there you (the general "you," that is) don't know about--are they untrue because you haven't believed them yet? No. They ARE.
I agree with what you're saying here. Science is incredibly valuable and we should not discard theories which have been shown to be true in labs (by repeatable experiments). Yet we should also understand that the world is amazingly more complex than we can begin to grasp and we have hardly anything all figured out. We should not take science to be the absolute truth and realize that something could come along one day and disprove a theory we've taken for granted.

What irritates me about science supporters (some of them that is, as all don't do this of course) is they take some theory that's the latest craze (like this global warming or something else that's far, far from proven) and use it to shove their agendas down other people's throats. I heard that in Las Vegas, you can't construct a new home with a wood-burning stove. That is the most nonsensical thing I have ever heard of. You're going to take away someone's immense pleasure of a cozy fireplace on a winter night (granted, doesn't happen that much in Vegas, but still) because of some stupid idea you support that may or may not be true? (at least that's what I heard, that it was for environmental reasons). I thought I heard they were banned in more places than that, but I'm glad the majority (at least businesses and stuff) don't pay attention to such a moranic law (at least you can get all the fire places you want around here thank the Lord). It's just stuff like that that really irritates me.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Threads like this are proof that some people shouldn't have access to the Internet .
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Old 03-31-2017, 06:32 AM
 
Location: San Gabriel Valley
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I have come to the conclusion that the OP is just trolling. He's not interested in answers that don't fit the convoluted "point" he is trying to make.
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Old 03-31-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: DC
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There is no reason to suspect that all hydrocarbons come from biological sources. We know that methane exists in the atmosphere of other planets and we have never detected biological activity on another planet. All it takes is the right ingredients -- carbon and hydrogen along with the correct temperature and pressure.
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Old 03-31-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I have come to the conclusion that the OP is just trolling. He's not interested in answers that don't fit the convoluted "point" he is trying to make.
Or possibly he was home schooled. Some people are home schooled precisely because their parents didn't want them exposed to mainstream science.
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