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Old 05-09-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: UNMC Area
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I can appear Godlike to the uniformed.
...and quite the opposite to those who know better.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: New England
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...and quite the opposite to those who know better.
He does not understand.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:30 PM
 
Location: New England
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Unlike totally safe solar?

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Sharp rise in estimated bird deaths at Calif. 'power tower'

Nearly 6,190 birds died at the Ivanpah solar energy plant in Southern California's Mojave Desert in its second year of operation, a 77 percent increase over the estimated fatalities from the previous year.

The estimate by Western EcoSystems Technology Inc. (WEST), a contractor for the plant, is bringing fresh scrutiny to solar "power tower" facilities built to turn the sun's heat into electricity. Two have been built on public lands in the U.S. Southwest with billions of dollars of federal loan assistance, and others are in development in Chile, South Africa and China.
Wind has no negative side effectis either, right? Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International

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Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought

Dr. Shawn Smallwood’s 2004 study, spanning four years, estimated that California’s Altamont Pass wind “farm” killed an average of 116 Golden Eagles annually. This adds up to 2,900 dead “goldies” since it was built 25 years ago. Altamont is the biggest sinkhole for the species, but not the only one, and industry-financed research claiming that California’s GE population is stable is but a white-wash.

Eagles are not the only victims. Smallwood also estimated that Altamont killed an average of 300 red-tailed hawks, 333 American kestrels and 380 burrowing owls annually – plus even more non-raptors, including 2,526 rock doves and 2,557 western meadowlarks.


In 2012, breaking the European omerta on wind farm mortality, the Spanish Ornithological Society (SEO/Birdlife) reviewed actual carcass counts from 136 monitoring studies. They concluded that Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines are killing 6-18 million birds and bats yearly.


Extrapolating that and similar (little publicized) German and Swedish studies, 39,000 U.S. wind turbines would not be killing “only” 440,000 birds (USFWS, 2009) or “just” 573,000 birds and 888,000 bats (Smallwood, 2013), but 13-39 million birds and bats every year!


No large scale human activity is totally without consequence.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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He does not understand.
Obviously. There's no point in even trying to have a conversation with the buffoon.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:14 PM
 
Location: PRC
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Obviously. There's no point in even trying to have a conversation with the buffoon.
Having a go at posters is not really constructive and it makes everyone doing it look like they cannot debate the issue properly.

The issue should be our safety and the safety of the technology. Anything else is not important. Nuclear has been proven at Fukushima to be inherantly dangerous and there, there is no solution. Radioactive water is being pumped straight into the sea and is poisoning everything for hundreds of thousands of years. You and I included.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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Having a go at posters is not really constructive and it makes everyone doing it look like they cannot debate the issue properly.

The issue should be our safety and the safety of the technology. Anything else is not important. Nuclear has been proven at Fukushima to be inherantly dangerous and there, there is no solution. Radioactive water is being pumped straight into the sea and is poisoning everything for hundreds of thousands of years. You and I included.
Your point is true, to an extent, but the quantity of leaked radioactive material, and the size of the pacific, mitigate against any long term harm over a large area. Fishing off Fukushima may be restricted for a number of years, but the stuff that hits our most beloved salmon will likely not cause any issue. Though without doubt salmon are so loved many will be dissected or vivisected to determine if they are radioactive.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Oh boy where do I begin. Apologies I am very late to this thread but I live in the backyard of the Mother of All Nuclear Kerfufle's: The Hanford Nuclear Repository and I am NOT a happy camper at the inability of our military to contain waste from some of the earliest nuclear material ever to be created. It is beyond unimaginable the hubris of planning for widespread proliferation of mini-reactors all around the globe when the nuclear material used in the freaking Manhattan Project is still not dealt with!!

All the spent nuclear material at the Fukishima Facility was being stored in open pools of water which was fine until the earthquake there. Now the West Coast of the United States is just that little bit 'hotter' and it WILL kill people. How many? Unknown, but that is little comfort if you are one of them. My issue with nuclear energy is that we know jack about staying safe from it. Cost cutting will always win out over caution and people WILL have shorter lives with increased risk of nasty cancers from the HUBRIS of playing with this stuff.

Has any of this come up in this thread yet? If yes, why are people still arguing that we need to expand the industry? If not, then its time we turn this discussion to the very pertinent question of why we continue building nuclear installations when we have such a **** poor understanding of what to do with waste fissile material, waste heat from cooling sytems, excess energy in the electrical grid and funding the cost of building reactors in a country with a falling GDP and a GINI coefficient of 42.
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