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Old 09-17-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: DC
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That's why all utilities build backup generation. Nuclear plants and large coal plants set the amount.

I remember when a client of mine with a large coal fired plant ran short of coal during the winter when the Mississippi River froze stopping coal deliveries and natural gas pipeline capacity got tight. Too bad they didn't have a resource like wind at the time.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Designing, building, maintaining and operating a adequate reliable national power supply is neither easy or inexpensive. It is not done by amateurs with faith in just wind and solar sources.
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Old 09-24-2017, 04:53 AM
 
Location: DC
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Designing, building, maintaining and operating a adequate reliable national power supply is neither easy or inexpensive. It is not done by amateurs with faith in just wind and solar sources.
No one in the renewable industry is proposing "just" wind and solar. That is what we professionals call a "straw man".
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Everyone calls it a straw man. But reactionaries keep on resorting to such things as if no one will notice.
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Old 09-28-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Everyone calls it a straw man. But reactionaries keep on resorting to such things as if no one will notice.
Of course they do. Renewable energy mandates such as Minnesota's 25 by 20 is one way they force an overabundance of intermittent resources to be built which in turn require more and more non-renewable resources to be built....Good for some of us in the long run but still something they tend not to advertise......
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Whatever. The facts of course remain that no one is calling for JUST wind and solar. That's a strawman.
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Whatever. The facts of course remain that no one is calling for JUST wind and solar. That's a strawman.
really?

https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...e-fossil-fuels
Most analysts think that the world's demand for energy will keep growing in the near future. But they also believe that as time passes, renewable sources of energy — hydroelectric, biomass and perhaps nuclear energy, but above all wind and solar — will replace fossil fuels, reducing carbon emissions. The main disagreements are over how quickly that will happen

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...han-you-think/

https://alternativeenergy.procon.org...stionID=001244
"It will take at least three decades to completely leave behind fossil fuels. But we can do it...

The world can be powered by alternative energy in 20-40 years, Stanford researcher says

The world can be powered by alternative energy, using today's technology, in 20-40 years, says Stanford researcher Mark Z. Jacobson

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Old 09-29-2017, 01:17 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Whatever. The facts of course remain that no one is calling for JUST wind and solar. That's a strawman.
Try searching " Germany Energiewende."
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:32 AM
 
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Of course they do. Renewable energy mandates such as Minnesota's 25 by 20 is one way they force an overabundance of intermittent resources to be built which in turn require more and more non-renewable resources to be built....Good for some of us in the long run but still something they tend not to advertise......
Backup generation is cheap.
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