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Old 11-11-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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Co2 is what plants breathe. Without it, no plants, therefore no people. The "no people" part is what the UN keeps touting. They hate life, they hate reproduction, and keep up this ludicrous overpopulation scare nonsense. Every single person who's ever lived- Ever! Can fit into the state of Texas with around 8 feet around them. Don't take my word for it, just look up another one- how much space entire population of the Earth will take up in the Grand Canyon. Then, when faced with these facts, the over-population promoters try to waylay the conversation by claiming we're running out of water. How can we? It returns the land via precipitation. All water ever used, returns to land or sea eventually. The UN and depopulationists are in a weird, snobby cult that wants to erase every one else on Earth except themselves.
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:04 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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The UN and depopulationists are in a weird, snobby cult that wants to erase every one else on Earth except themselves.
Agenda 21 is a UN idea ostensibly meant to support " environmental sustainability," but is actually a plan to to take away individual rights and national sovereignty.

Agenda 21 critics grow more vocal | Local News | host.madison.com
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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You forgot to cite the website where you got the graphs. The graphs cite where the data originally came from, but YOU didn't cite where you got the graphs. For all we know, they aren't real graphs.

Second, has it occurred to you that we've decreased our emissions precisely BECAUSE we have had programs in place to do so? Which programs have now been cancelled for the most part, and an EPA leader installed whose purpose is to dissolve the EPA? (Research Bannon: Our purpose is to dismantle the government. Research the EPA leader's credentials and prior statements and positions; he's anti-environment.)

We are not in the world alone. We need to continue to be part of the global effort to reduce emissions. We're not doing any good, if we don't participate, are we? We have no say-so over what China does, if we aren't involved.

We are also a world leader. We're not a little country off to the side. It matters what we do, the example we set, and the influence we have for good in the world.

The climate and environment matter to us all. It'll be a good thing when we get a President who understands our place in the world as the world leader.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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As long as there's increasing population and increasing numbers of cars on the roads there's going to be an increasing need and implementation of things like intersection cameras and other surveillance gadgets everywhere else to monitor all traffic.
Statements like this are so unbelievable I don't even know where to start. It shocks me how willing people are to give up their rights...as if traffic in crowded cities like NYC or Los Angeles somehow couldn't managed before there were security cameras.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:22 PM
 
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Someone doesn't understand the meaning of socialism.
Perhaps it's not technically correct. But it all boils down to the same thing--ever more centralization of power and control in the hands of fewer and fewer people. That never leads to anything good. Not ever. People never learn the lessons of history, unfortunately.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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*snort* You must not know what can be done with cellphones. Big Brother has been around for years.
Oh, believe me, I do. Yes, Big Brother has been around for years. Cell phones are a perfect example of how we've all been conditioned to accept all of this as normal, natural, inevitable. George Orwell warned us, folks. And he was a socialist, by the way. But I guess he was just a "sociophobe" who didn't know what he was talking about, despite the fact that much of what he wrote about in 1984 has come to pass.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:01 AM
 
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That socialism doesn't work will certainly be a surprise to the Scandinavian and Western Europeans.
Yes, it certainly will be. And to the Western World more generally.

A big sign of trouble in the West for decades has been below replacement level birth rates.

See this video at 19:30.

"I believe something should be built into governmental structure, even at the university level, to constantly be critiquing bureaucracy (as it inevitably swells), in reducing it. You can see everywhere in human history, bureaucracy is the result of a civilization that devised originally a very cohesive and positive sense of order and hierarchy. That is how irrigation was brought to the desert in ancient Babylon, ancient Assyria and so on....through this hierarchical organization and planning. But in every culture over time, eventually the bureaucracy swells and swells and swells parasitically. And the whole structure eventually collapses. A bureaucrat, by definition isn't an original mind or original entity...a bureaucrat..is a parasite. So you can see Rome fell in this way...Rome got too big....It happened in Russia. Bureaucracy is to me, the enemy."


I don't know how this woman could endorse Bernie Sanders if she believes the above, but at least she sees what's happening in the Western countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B553na_skKI&t=394s
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:29 AM
 
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Agenda 21 is a UN idea ostensibly meant to support " environmental sustainability," but is actually a plan to to take away individual rights and national sovereignty.

Agenda 21 critics grow more vocal | Local News | host.madison.com
Here's my favorite Agenda 21 critic. She used to work for the State of CA valuing land for cases of eminent domain. She found it harder and harder to value people's land because of all the usage restrictions put on landowners. She started researching where all these rules and regulations came from and traced it back to U.N. Agenda 21. Oh, and by the way, she's a self professed liberal Democrat. First video is the short version. First link is the short version. Second link has a lot of details, with videos that have even more detail on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3XuSo03N7s&t=25s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RaJTLeAiQA

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Old 11-12-2017, 05:35 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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How you measure standard of living from a house trailer would be different from a European living in a 17th century stone house. Many consider materialism a disease.
Tell us again about your Porsche, as if we're impressed by a 6 cylinder VW.

I was tempted to write a retort to your smug, elitist comment, but I'm sure the other readers have already figured you out.

BTW- I've spent a good deal of time in Europe (and little of it in hotels) -- not too many people living in 17th century stone houses anymore. I still regularly read Italian & German newspapers.

Succinctly stated, they're envious of us. They know they have little chance of improving their lots in life, stuck in their meager station. But then, after 2000 yrs of living under the heel of first the Emperors, then kings, then dictators and now socialists, they're accustomed to a position of quiet subservience.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:31 AM
 
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Tell us again about your Porsche, as if we're impressed by a 6 cylinder VW.

I was tempted to write a retort to your smug, elitist comment, but I'm sure the other readers have already figured you out.

BTW- I've spent a good deal of time in Europe (and little of it in hotels) -- not too many people living in 17th century stone houses anymore. I still regularly read Italian & German newspapers.

Succinctly stated, they're envious of us. They know they have little chance of improving their lots in life, stuck in their meager station. But then, after 2000 yrs of living under the heel of first the Emperors, then kings, then dictators and now socialists, they're accustomed to a position of quiet subservience.
My European friends and relative mostly laugh at how crazy Americans are. The most frequent questions is "Why do you do this stuff to yourself?"

I confess to being somewhat smug. Getting lectured by trailer trash causes me to reflect on the source.
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