U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Green Living
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-12-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: The analog world
17,087 posts, read 9,804,931 times
Reputation: 22736

Advertisements

This article was posted in Politics & Other Controversies, but I thought it also belonged here. Definitely renewed my commitment to avoiding single-use plastic packaging, which is an area where I have been slacking off.

Plastics pile up as China refuses to take the West's recycling

Quote:
LONDON — Ever since China announced last year that it no longer wanted to be the “world’s garbage dump,” recycling about half of the globe’s plastics and paper products, Western nations have been puzzling over what to do when the ban went into effect, which it did on Jan. 1.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-12-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
5,487 posts, read 2,852,450 times
Reputation: 6184
A lot of that plastic came from China. You look at all the plastic products around your house and quite a bit say “Made in China” on them.

From hair dryers to spatulas to combs to plant pots to clothes hangers to shower curtains to televisions to folding chairs to AC units to brooms. They’re all made of plastics and all came from China.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: The analog world
17,087 posts, read 9,804,931 times
Reputation: 22736
I agree that it's very difficult to live without plastics. My efforts have been focused on reducing my consumption of single-use plastic packaging, and I had slacked off over the last year. This latest development has motivated me to do better in 2018.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
17,753 posts, read 53,902,796 times
Reputation: 30012
Not all of it. A company here in Alabama makes a lot of the precursor chemicals.

The concept of financial responsibility from creation of a product to its ultimate destruction and/or recycling is smart on many levels. Too many brownfields have had to be cleaned or cordoned at public expense.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
7,102 posts, read 6,512,800 times
Reputation: 13870
Quote:
Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
A lot of that plastic came from China. You look at all the plastic products around your house and quite a bit say “Made in China” on them.

From hair dryers to spatulas to combs to plant pots to clothes hangers to shower curtains to televisions to folding chairs to AC units to brooms. They’re all made of plastics and all came from China.

A lot of that plastic came from China BECAUSE the west has been sending it to China as plastic garbage and China has been recycling it into other products and sending it back to the west. Again and again and round and round it goes ...... until now.

I anticipate that if China sticks to its guns and refuses to accept any more plastic garbage from the west then in the long run there won't be the same amount of plastic products being exported from China back to the west. The west will have to find another way to recycle their own garbage and hopefully learn how to stop being such a spoiled rotten throw away society.

.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
5,487 posts, read 2,852,450 times
Reputation: 6184
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoisite View Post
A lot of that plastic came from China BECAUSE the west has been sending it to China as plastic garbage and China has been recycling it into other products and sending it back to the west. Again and again and round and round it goes ...... until now.

I anticipate that if China sticks to its guns and refuses to accept any more plastic garbage from the west then in the long run there won't be the same amount of plastic products being exported from China back to the west. The west will have to find another way to recycle their own garbage and hopefully learn how to stop being such a spoiled rotten throw away society.

.
This doesn’t make sense. China needs that plastic back in order to recycle it into a manufactured product. China is not going to stop making plastic products. It’s their livelihood.

You make it sound like they are doing us a favor by sending us plastic goods to sell to us. They are not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:42 PM
 
Location: The analog world
17,087 posts, read 9,804,931 times
Reputation: 22736
China Limits Waste

Quote:
In the United States, the new rules mean more garbage could stay at home. While that could be good news for some recyclers, it could also mean more waste in the country’s landfills, according to the Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, a lobbying group based in Washington.

Recyclers might also have to upgrade their facilities to handle the waste, leading to higher costs for American municipalities and taxpayers, said Adam Minter, a recycling expert and author of “Junkyard Planet: Travels in the Billion-Dollar Trash Trade.”

“Without China, there will be less recycling in the United States, and it will cost more,” Mr. Minter said.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
37,739 posts, read 55,407,000 times
Reputation: 89199
We all (Western countries) should be doing this:
Sweden
Sweden is so good at recycling that, for several years, it has imported rubbish from other countries to keep its recycling plants going. Less than 1% of Swedish household waste was sent to landfill last year or any year since 2011.

I also need to add, that while traveling to Europe and visiting several countries year after year, I didn't see such extensive packaging of goods as in the USA.
Every year in the US, the paper, aluminum, glass, plastics and other recyclable material we throw away would be worth $11.4 billion if it were recycled instead. Less than 14 % of plastic packaging, which is the fastest-growing form of packaging, gets recycled. We have one of the lowest overall recycling rates of any developed nation.

In Europe, food companies are responsible for the packaging they put out into the world. Yet the very same big multinational corporations that agree to pay for collection of their packaging in Europe, Canada and elsewhere, refuse to take that same responsibility in the US. Many of these companies also fight bottle and container deposits, which have proven to be the single most successful way to boost recycling rates in the US.
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/peter-l...ackaging-waste

China decision explained here:
https://qz.com/122003/plastic-recycl...a-green-fence/
__________________
.
"No Copyrighted Material"
Moderated forums:
World, Europe, Texas, Corpus Christi, El Paso, Lubbock, Tyler, Houston, San Antonio, Tallahassee, Macon, Duluth, Fish, Home Interior Design and Decorating, Science and Technology Forums
.

Need help? Click on this: >>> ToS, Mod List, Rules & FAQ's, Guide, CD Home page, How to Search
Realtors are welcome here but do see our Realtor Advice to avoid infractions.

Last edited by elnina; 01-12-2018 at 01:22 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
7,102 posts, read 6,512,800 times
Reputation: 13870
Quote:
Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
This doesn’t make sense. China needs that plastic back in order to recycle it into a manufactured product. China is not going to stop making plastic products. It’s their livelihood.

You make it sound like they are doing us a favor by sending us plastic goods to sell to us. They are not.
Apparently China does not think it needs it back.


.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-12-2018, 01:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
5,487 posts, read 2,852,450 times
Reputation: 6184
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoisite View Post
Apparently China does not think it needs it back.


.
Read the article. China is complaining it is getting too much back. It will still need to get them back, just not at the rate it is getting. They are also complaining that many of the waste contains hazardous materials and are not properly cleaned before they receive it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Green Living
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:39 AM.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top