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Old 02-03-2018, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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For most of the country electricity reliability is six 9s.

Oil as a heating source is very regional -- northeast and declining

The heating habits of 1% isn't what I was discussing. Where available natural gas predominates, then comes electricity, propane and way down the list oil. Coal isn't even an asterisk.
I remember working up in the far eastern part of NY and a lot of the employees who lived in Vermont had oil heat.

We have natural gas where I am, and a high efficiency furnace. I love it because it costs me only about $50 a month to heat a 2600 sq foot place around 76 F.

We had a heat pump set up when we lived in the South and it was fine...until we had a rare cold snap where it got into the teens. Personally I would never have a heat pump system anywhere up north
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:35 AM
 
Location: DC
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I remember working up in the far eastern part of NY and a lot of the employees who lived in Vermont had oil heat.

We have natural gas where I am, and a high efficiency furnace. I love it because it costs me only about $50 a month to heat a 2600 sq foot place around 76 F.

We had a heat pump set up when we lived in the South and it was fine...until we had a rare cold snap where it got into the teens. Personally I would never have a heat pump system anywhere up north
I have a friend who is a utility CEO in Maine. He just installed a heat pump and says it works fine.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: DC
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Not enough coal used to be meaningful.

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data...pdf/sec6_4.pdf

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data...pdf/sec2_5.pdf
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Old 02-04-2018, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I have a friend who is a utility CEO in Maine. He just installed a heat pump and says it works fine.
I attended an Open House at a home down South in Bangor Maine a few weeks ago. They are grid-tied for net-metering and are trying to use heat-pumps and electric heaters to heat their home. Their idea is that they will 'bank' so much power on the grid, that it will be more than enough to run electric heaters through the Winter.

I found it amusing that at the Open House, I was the only person who drove to it in a solar-electric powered vehicle.
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Old 02-04-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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I can tell you right off the bat that number is wrong.
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Old 02-05-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: DC
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I can tell you right off the bat that number is wrong.
Sure you can.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Sure you can.
Well it is, total production is far higher than that. Some of it is consumed by industry but it's no where near the amount those figures would indicate. The business I was running in 2006 would have accounted for about 1.2 percent of the figures they are giving. I wasn't accounting for 1.2 percent of the single processing facility I was dealing with let alone total production for the entire industry
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:05 AM
 
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Well it is, total production is far higher than that. Some of it is consumed by industry but it's no where near the amount those figures would indicate. The business I was running in 2006 would have accounted for about 1.2 percent of the figures they are giving. I wasn't accounting for 1.2 percent of the single processing facility I was dealing with let alone total production for the entire industry
So coal producers are lying about their output.

Even if it's off by 100% coal is still an inconsequential residential energy source and getting smaller.
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