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Old 03-28-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Ok, the news that the pacific ocean is filling up with mankind's garbage is not news to all. However, it's really getting to be a shameful mess now.

Where the heck are all the salvage companies at to gather and reclaim this floating gold mine waiting for the taking???

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...xas-2018-03-23

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Old 03-28-2018, 09:59 PM
 
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There is a Dutch company working on this "problem" but as always a lot of red tape and other BS slowing them down.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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It’s not bs. Nearly every fish and invertebrate in the ocean goes through a stage called meroplankton when they are a tiny drifting organism and become a member of the plastisphere for a key portion of their life. If we just go in and scoop up your “goldmine” we could literally destroy the entire ecosystem. Not just the plastisphere but have cascading effects through out he entire ocean.

I know all the armchair scientist online think they know more than literally all the oceanographer,s ecologists and ocean engineers dedicated to this problem, but it’s really just Dunning Kruger at its finest.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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How does it come to be that your observations indicate Dunning–Kruger effect ?????

"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence?????? "
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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How does it come to be that your observations indicate Dunning–Kruger effect ?????

"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence?????? "
Because someone who has almost no working knowledge of a field frequently over estimates their knowledge of said field. As in the posts that suggest it is bs preventing people from harvesting the “gold mine” of the great garbage patch. The notion that those who have spent their entire lives studying the ocean and pollution would have thought about “scooping it up”. The issue is much more complicated than you are pretending it is.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:24 PM
 
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Because someone who has almost no working knowledge of a field frequently over estimates their knowledge of said field. As in the posts that suggest it is bs preventing people from harvesting the “gold mine” of the great garbage patch. The notion that those who have spent their entire lives studying the ocean and pollution would have thought about “scooping it up”. The issue is much more complicated than you are pretending it is.
I asked a question in my OP. I did not make a statement on based on deep knowledge on the topic. If I did I wouldn't have asked the question because I would already know the answer.

But I didn't insult anyone along the way................
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:41 PM
 
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I asked a question in my OP. I did not make a statement on based on deep knowledge on the topic. If I did I wouldn't have asked the question because I would already know the answer.

But I didn't insult anyone along the way................
Cool. So now you have learned two things. First, why we can’t just go scoop up the plastic, and second that maybe you shouldn’t assume you have the answer as in “where are all the salvagers scooping up the gold mine”. Most people who are uninformed about a topic start with why questions.
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Old 04-03-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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I was hoping the Chinese space junk would land on the ocean trash and incinerate it.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:34 AM
 
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Cool. So now you have learned two things. First, why we can’t just go scoop up the plastic, and second that maybe you shouldn’t assume you have the answer as in “where are all the salvagers scooping up the gold mine”. Most people who are uninformed about a topic start with why questions.
I think the OP (and us) learned a 3rd lesson.....that you are not a pleasant person and incapable of getting a point across without sounding like a jerk; not saying you are, just that your posts above make you sound like one.
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Old 04-06-2018, 05:38 PM
 
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How much of this was garbage tossed into the ocean from ships and shore and how much is from earthquakes and tsunamis? Both Navy ships I was on in the 90s were very strict about plastic trash not being thrown from the ship. Trash like plastic and chemicals were held on the ship until next port visit. Some ships had a plastic compression machine that heated and pressed plastic trash into a round disc making it easy to handle and store for longer periods of time.

Considering the current size of the pile, this could become a shipping navigation issue and needs to be addressed soon.
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