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Old 02-19-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Oops! One down in Quay County, New Mexico February 2019.

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Old 02-23-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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Full article here.
https://www.qcsunonline.com/story/20...ine/19764.html
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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Manufacturing defect.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Manufacturing defect.

Perhaps. More likely it's just a matter of Chit Hoppens. All mechanical things have an inherent failure rate. This is not a unique event, nor do these things happen often enough that we need panic and condemn the process. Things like this happen at a statistically, but not individually predictable rate.


They need to take reasonable precautions in regards providing a safe area around the units-- that was a point in the OP-- they need a lot of room--and in monitoring weather conditions.


Like I always point out-- a reasonable person would probably never drive his car across a bridge built to the safety standards to which aircraft are built...The engineers will analyze this mishap and determine if it's efficient to change their standards for these structures...May be; maybe not. Everything involves some level of risk.
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Perhaps. More likely it's just a matter of Chit Hoppens. All mechanical things have an inherent failure rate. This is not a unique event, nor do these things happen often enough that we need panic and condemn the process. Things like this happen at a statistically, but not individually predictable rate.


They need to take reasonable precautions in regards providing a safe area around the units-- that was a point in the OP-- they need a lot of room--and in monitoring weather conditions.


Like I always point out-- a reasonable person would probably never drive his car across a bridge built to the safety standards to which aircraft are built...The engineers will analyze this mishap and determine if it's efficient to change their standards for these structures...May be; maybe not. Everything involves some level of risk.
One of the thing we found in the nuclear submarine force is that chit doesn't just happen. Everything that fails, fails for a reason. Understanding and correcting that reason is the key to high quality.
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Old 02-24-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Understanding and correcting that reason is the key to high quality.

Then why don't they put stainless steel exhaust systems that would never rust away on all cars like they do on Rolls-Royce?
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Then why don't they put stainless steel exhaust systems that would never rust away on all cars like they do on Rolls-Royce?
Has nothing to do with the question. As usual. But there are plenty of stainless steel mufflers if you want one.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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Has nothing to do with the question. As usual. But there are plenty of stainless steel mufflers if you want one.

As usual, you have a short sighted analysis....Good engineers strive for optimum, not often consistent with maximum or minimum.


Rusting exhaust system (includes more than just a muffler, BTW) is a problem. Stainless steel would solve the problem, but costs several times more than plain steel. Most people don't keep a car long enough to worry about the pipes rusting thru-- so why bother adding the expense. On a Rolls, usually on the road for many more years and with an initial expense far above the added cost of the expensive stainless steel makes sense....


For those who still move their lips when they read-- that's an analogy for the problem of a collapsed wind mill-- Of the thousands in operation, a handful have bent in the wind. They could make the towers thicker and then require heavier duty foundations--- at greater expense, or the brakes stronger-- but that would necessitate a chain of required changes in increased size of shaft and bearings, decreasing efficiency etc....Those expensive changes may be felt to be not worth it given the rarity of failure.


You can never eliminate risk. You must compromise with it, ultimately making a subjective value judgement on what is an acceptable level of risk. Bridges are built to a safety ratio something like 10 to 1; aircraft are built on the order of 1.5 to 1-- different factors to be considered and different ways to compensate.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:44 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Getting back to the OP-- the high environmental cost (habitat destruction) of wind mills (also applies to solar farms)-- a recent article by a reformed TreeHugger says it well https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why...ve-the-planet/


"I came to understand the environmental implications of the physics of energy. In order to produce significant amounts of electricity from weak energy flows, you just have to spread them over enormous areas. In other words, the trouble with renewables isn’t fundamentally technical—it’s natural."
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:40 PM
 
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Default Oops # 2

Here's a picture of new wind turbine that very recently burned on the Texas South Plains. Oops # 2.

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