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Old 05-11-2022, 07:28 PM
 
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“Unless you read different points of view, your mind will eventually close, and you’ll be come a prisoner to a certain point of view that you’ll never question.”

https://www.iceagefarmer.com/docs/Th...ry_Abraham.pdf
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...86-green-fraud

You are being played from both sides. The US dominated world economy and global trade is currently based on the Petrodollar, hence no real desire for change.

There may well be much cleaner alternatives for energy - but it won't be available to the common people.

https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/invention/35usc17.html

Because they want to meter it and bill you for it, monitor your use of it (IOT) as part of the surveillance state. You are being set up to be farmed. You are the hamster in the wheel.
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Old 05-13-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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Change often happens slowly at first, then all of a sudden. Look at the collapse in the price of coal stocks, they lost 90% of their value in a short period. While a 100% transition would be best, many would settle for less.

I'm 50 this year. It won't happen in my lifetime. Plus humans will be consuming at least 28TW of energy by 2050. In order to keep co2 levels below 450ppm (not going to happen) we would need to get half of that from a non fossil fuel source(s). For example 14TW of energy would require 10000 nuclear power plants to be built. Or to cover over one million roofs a day with solar panels every day for 50 years straight.
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Old 05-13-2022, 02:41 PM
 
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I'm 50 this year. It won't happen in my lifetime. Plus humans will be consuming at least 28TW of energy by 2050. In order to keep co2 levels below 450ppm (not going to happen) we would need to get half of that from a non fossil fuel source(s). For example 14TW of energy would require 10000 nuclear power plants to be built. Or to cover over one million roofs a day with solar panels every day for 50 years straight.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/12...ables-by-2035/



https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/12...ricity-demand/
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Old 05-14-2022, 02:22 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Advertizing copy is not science.
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Old 05-14-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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Advertizing copy is not science.
Man, that's profound!
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Old 05-17-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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Change often happens slowly at first, then all of a sudden. Look at the collapse in the price of coal stocks, they lost 90% of their value in a short period. While a 100% transition would be best, many would settle for less.



India is set to double its coal capacity production within the next 20 years because they know coal is cheap abundant and can produce electricity when needed.

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Coal and Mines Minister Pralhad Joshi said Friday that India's coal needs are set to double by 2040.

https://phys.org/news/2022-05-india-...ybrkr=5eb22328



and China can't stop burning coal either




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Old 05-17-2022, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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There are problems that have good solutions that haven't been implemented, but these are usually small or local in scope. An issue as large as energy, which has been on the forefront of attention of every country, company, and even most peoples minds for the last 300 years has NO quick easy solutions. Anyone claiming otherwise has profit incentives (Tesla) or is misrepresenting the whole picture. I can guarantee that if there was something better, literally everyone would be doing it.

If anything, 2020-2022 is a smack of reality showing that green energy is indeed NOT capable of being any sort of >50% solution for anyone! New solar / wind production has been crippled by supply chain and mineral constraints, with China being a larger and larger share of production. The systemwide outages across Europe and numerous warnings about grid constraints with the summer cooling load have shown that base load, not just potential capacity, is critical.

If green energy is going to succeed, that runs counter to actual investment for 2022, which is essentially a return to coal and natural gas worldwide.
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Old 05-20-2022, 10:03 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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There are problems that have good solutions that haven't been implemented, but these are usually small or local in scope. An issue as large as energy, which has been on the forefront of attention of every country, company, and even most peoples minds for the last 300 years has NO quick easy solutions. Anyone claiming otherwise has profit incentives (Tesla) or is misrepresenting the whole picture. I can guarantee that if there was something better, literally everyone would be doing it.

If anything, 2020-2022 is a smack of reality showing that green energy is indeed NOT capable of being any sort of >50% solution for anyone! New solar / wind production has been crippled by supply chain and mineral constraints, with China being a larger and larger share of production. The systemwide outages across Europe and numerous warnings about grid constraints with the summer cooling load have shown that base load, not just potential capacity, is critical.

If green energy is going to succeed, that runs counter to actual investment for 2022, which is essentially a return to coal and natural gas worldwide.
Everyone from developing countries to developed countries are rapidly increasing solar installations so I think your logic is pretty sound there in terms of solar panels.

https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-p...in-bottlenecks

Tesla is a rather small player in renewable energy though their energy storage business is doing pretty well. I think there might be a bit of myopia at play here or some navel-gazing towards just the US, because there are other parts of the world where renewable energy has taken off quite a bit faster.

There are certainly supply chain issues affecting deployment this year and last, as well as the coming year probably, but supply chain issues also greatly and globally affected fossil fuels as you and pretty much everyone else on the planet might have noticed at the pump or with natural gas bills. The thing is, those are not renewable energy sources but are instead sources that constantly need consumables to run. Unlike these things that go through consumables at a brisk clip, renewable energy sources once installed often have a pretty easy time getting their "fuel" to run in an overall predictable manner. The person who got their whole home solar panels installed a year or two ago, battery, and/or EV is going to be pretty happy about that investment right about now.
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:47 AM
 
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India is set to double its coal capacity production within the next 20 years because they know coal is cheap abundant and can produce electricity when needed.




https://phys.org/news/2022-05-india-...ybrkr=5eb22328



and China can't stop burning coal either



You won't find me denying that coal is a problem. That doesn't mean I believe its a problem that can't be solved. Just because there is a blip in the trend (largely as a result of war), does not mean that there is no trend.
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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There are problems that have good solutions that haven't been implemented, but these are usually small or local in scope. An issue as large as energy, which has been on the forefront of attention of every country, company, and even most peoples minds for the last 300 years has NO quick easy solutions. Anyone claiming otherwise has profit incentives (Tesla) or is misrepresenting the whole picture. I can guarantee that if there was something better, literally everyone would be doing it.

If anything, 2020-2022 is a smack of reality showing that green energy is indeed NOT capable of being any sort of >50% solution for anyone! New solar / wind production has been crippled by supply chain and mineral constraints, with China being a larger and larger share of production. The systemwide outages across Europe and numerous warnings about grid constraints with the summer cooling load have shown that base load, not just potential capacity, is critical.

If green energy is going to succeed, that runs counter to actual investment for 2022, which is essentially a return to coal and natural gas worldwide.
I know of no-one who has stated that the transition would be 100% smooth sailing. If we are going to divide blame between fossil and renewables it's worth noting that all the various outages in the past have taken place when renewables were a smaller % than they are today, so more of the blame goes to fossils, and more likely the grid.
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