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Old 05-26-2008, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Another thing is how to do without the plastic produce bags for our grocery shopping? I suppose those could be made out of cornstarch bags too.

That cornstarch plastic looks promising - make bags out of that instead of petrochemicals.

Also, the hemp ban is really stupid - hemp requires little water, is highly pest resistant, and grows like a weed. Cotton is the opposite. George Washington grew hemp as a fabric/rope crop.
Once again, the problem with using corn to make "plastics" is that a feed and food stock is being used for other purposes, the same as making ethanol from grains. Also, cornstarch "plastics" are not recyclable as they are not petroleum (natural gas) based products and simply burn up in the recycling process.

Agreeing 100% with Tesaje, not using commercial hemp for it's thousands of uses, including making paper and paper products in the US is really stupid! The reason? Logging and paper making interests that would rather cut down forests than grow hemp! The idiots in Washington (that would be the US Congress! ), simply "follow the money" from the lobbyists (the lobbyists are the real hierarchy of government in the US, the provide the money and perks that control their "puppets" in Congress! ), as long as the lobbyists pull the strings of government, the US will continue to slide backward in every sector, including environmental issues!
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Flyover country
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Well,gee I'm not that old,Steve! But I guess it was at least 15 years since stores did away with paper bags. There was a convenience store near my home that did have paper bags until maybe 5-6 yrs ago, but now they are using plastic as well.
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Well,gee I'm not that old,Steve! But I guess it was at least 15 years since stores did away with paper bags. There was a convenience store near my home that did have paper bags until maybe 5-6 yrs ago, but now they are using plastic as well.
The grocery stores in my area still offer a choice of "paper or plastic" and I do see a significant rise in the number of persons using paper bags rather than plastic. The local CVS Pharmacy started using using paper bags, about 6 months ago, for multiple script orders (that would be me!) in place of grocery type plastic bags with handles. To paraphrase an old saying "What's old is new again"!
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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I think we need to pressure the government to work on making all plastics more biodegradable. I am not comfortable using paper bags because we need to try to stop cutting trees down. If we can implement a society where we all carry reusable bags that would work best but I don't think we can muster this huge task. Better to get a referendum that calls for research on biodegradable plastic so that the landfills at least will go away eventually.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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To add to my post, I know most of you are worried about petroleum prices but we will have all the biodegradable plastic bags we need when hydrogen cars, wind, solar and geothermal power is recognized.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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I think we need to pressure the government to work on making all plastics more biodegradable. I am not comfortable using paper bags because we need to try to stop cutting trees down. If we can implement a society where we all carry reusable bags that would work best but I don't think we can muster this huge task. Better to get a referendum that calls for research on biodegradable plastic so that the landfills at least will go away eventually.
Sorry, but landfills are forever! When civilization is long gone, landfills will still be identifiable. Landfills are like cockroaches, they'll survive a nuclear holocaust!
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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To add to my post, I know most of you are worried about petroleum prices but we will have all the biodegradable plastic bags we need when hydrogen cars, wind, solar and geothermal power is recognized.
Think again! Not going to happen!
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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I do not use trash bags. The trash just goes into the can (I've got a metal can with a removable plastic liner with a handle), which in turn goes into the larger can at the curb. When the can liner and the big can get super-icky, they are hosed out.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:16 AM
 
Location: In The Outland
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In the future we may be mining the old dumps for resources !
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Old 05-28-2008, 05:10 AM
 
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When I see photos or video of landfills, the most obvious contents is plastic trash bags, you know, the 13 gallon white kitchen and the green 30 gallon plus variety. My understanding is that these plastic trash bags take many years to degrade in a landfill or anywhere else they may be thrown. Would it be possible for the paper industry to come up with a paper waterproof trash bag to replace the plastic trash bags? We've all seen the paper leaf bags (those areas with trees) that are used to collect and contain leaves in the fall. These leaf bags are taken to a composting site to be tuned into mulch and compost. Why not use a similar approach with paper garbage bags in landfills? The paper bag could be given a waterproof coating that would resist water degradation while in use, but would quickly degrade in a landfill environment to speed up the breakdown of the contents. And of course, the paper garbage bags could be made out of recycled pre and post-consumer paper waste such as newspapers and cardboard. Any thoughts on this green living idea?
i have started to recycle everything. i bought a smaller wormery for the garden and all my organic (incl bones meat and fish which you aren't supposed to put in there) waste goes in there. every now and then i just scoop a whole lot of excess in with my garden clippings and the trash guys never notice. the rest (eg foil, tetra) i just chuck in my recycling bin and the recyclers can deal with it
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