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Old 11-15-2023, 03:31 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Every manufactured model must be supplied to the DOT for "crash testing." They must supply at least five units. The results of five individual trials will ALWAYS be statistically INsignificant. Mere chance will account for the results in any trial of five way too often to be of value. (The new drug cured the illness in 3 out of 4 dogs..The fourth dog ran away.)

We won't even get into the concept that it's the tertiary collision, not the primary or secondary that kills in a MVA...and they don't test for that.

Another example of bureaucrats justifying their own existence by "doing something" even if it's meaningless.

Think of the lack of logic-- cars are regulated to have a certain minimal crash test safety result-- but they share the road with motorcycles that don t have any structural protection requirement...Some states require bikers to wear helmets, but in all states it's illegal to wear a helmet while driving a car...???...A few yrs ago, there was a goof in the MO state legislature that wanted a seat belt law to apply to MCs (!!!)

Bicycles, scooters, velomobiles and walking shoes have their niche in urban/suburban "walkable neighborhoods" where speeds and distances would be low and competiton & danger from larger, faster vehicles would be minimized.

The socialists always hate it when I point out that one size never fits all.
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Old 11-15-2023, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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I think, there are options on the market. Just most people think that's a joke.

We here have plenty of small, city EVs. No one is ashamed to drive them.
Something like that, for example:








People in the US are afraid of small cars and for a reason. Too many humongous vehicles driven by crazy people who despise bicycles, bikes and small cars. And pedestrians...
They make our roads it the US dangerous.
For some reason most think that they own the roads and won't share.
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Old 11-15-2023, 12:36 PM
 
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Well, a neighborhood mobility vehicle, capable of carrying several bags of groceries, is allowed, or not allowed, on interstate highways based on speed of the vehicle. But in the U.S., such a vehicle must have three wheels and be licensed as a motorcycle if regulation is to be avoided. It can have overhead and enclosed bodywork
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Old 11-16-2023, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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Small EVs and golf carts and such have little to nothing to do with "Velomobiles" which are enclosed human powered vehicles (might be 2 wheels, 3, or 4).

If you're using human power, the winner remains the standard bicycle; for rainy weather you wear a rain cape; and then for hot weather you're not stuck inside a fishbowl. The standard bicycle with proper cold and wet weather gear wins for all kinds of efficiencies - in initial outlay, maintenance, convenience, and in performance except for the case of a long ride without too many hills to climb and little traffic.
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Old 11-16-2023, 05:11 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Weather is a major factor against using bikes regularly in three quarters of the country. The velomobile solves that.
It may keep you dry, but what about icy and snowy conditions?

These low-profile vehicles make me nervous, since when I was a kid a neighbor was riding his go-cart down the street and ended up underneath a car. He survived but his face got busted up pretty bad, needed reconstructive surgery.

I'm glad I live where the weather is a factor FOR riding bikes regularly. I think the velomobile would not be street-legal on many streets that I need to use to go places, might get hung up on speed bumps, and would not be allowed on bike paths.
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Old 11-16-2023, 07:28 PM
 
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Small EVs and golf carts and such have little to nothing to do with "Velomobiles" which are enclosed human powered vehicles (might be 2 wheels, 3, or 4).

If you're using human power, the winner remains the standard bicycle; ...

The subject included electric power.

Now in my neighborhood, people walk their bicycles up the hills and coast down the hills. But I don't see them carrying bags of groceries. The bicycles are usually multi-geared medium-weight frames. I'm not sure that pedal-assist would suit them for going up hills
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Old 11-17-2023, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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The subject included electric power.

Now in my neighborhood, people walk their bicycles up the hills and coast down the hills. But I don't see them carrying bags of groceries. The bicycles are usually multi-geared medium-weight frames. I'm not sure that pedal-assist would suit them for going up hills
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Sheldon Brown once wrote something like "yes, if you don't have low enough gears, you MIGHT occasionally have to get off and walk up a hill. So what? If you're in such a hurry, why are you RIDING A BICYCLE?"
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Old 11-18-2023, 11:42 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Sheldon Brown once wrote something like "yes, if you don't have low enough gears, you MIGHT occasionally have to get off and walk up a hill. So what? If you're in such a hurry, why are you RIDING A BICYCLE?"
Same if you're going downhill and don't have brakes.
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Old 11-18-2023, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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DS is looking for something, inexpensive.
He has a 1 mile commute to the transit station with park-n-ride or bikeLink lockers.
Does not make a while lot of sense to use a $15-20k auto. The issue is he lives on a hill.
A 12% grade is a lot of fun going down but is a chore going up. He does have a class 1, lightweight (38#) ebike.

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Old 11-18-2023, 01:09 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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DS is looking for something, inexpensive.
He has a 1 mile commute to the transit station with park-n-ride or bikeLink lockers.
Does not make a while lot of sense to use a $15-20k auto. The issue is he lives on a hill.
A 12% grade is a lot of fun going down but is a chore going up. He does have a class 1, lightweight (38#) ebike.
That's just a 20-minute walk for most people. Some foldable electric scooters might have enough power for the hill, and he could carry it on the train or bus.
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