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c02 and ozone layer are factors. population is 4 times its size of 50 years ago.
to say warming has nothing to do with these factors would be to thumb our nose at the world science community. but of course we like to do that. changing our life style is not acceptable to many americans. we have kind of locked into a pattern. the indians evolved they got casinos but we did not.
That's how I'm understanding it as well. It's threatening to think our lifestyles might have to adjust because we think that means "for the worse", but it might actually be "for the better" and we could end up with richer lives.
Which government are you talking about? The one that just listed the polar bear as endangered because of the "threat of global warming" on their habitat?
The one that doesn't propose to do anything about it.
For the scientists it is about grant money and recognition. Both are very important to universities and the ability to get either or both is personally beneficial for scientists. (It's worth noting that most university professors and researchers have political views left of center.)
For politicians it is about the excuse to regulate, tax, and feel important (and it makes them "feel good" to be doing something the "help" the earth).
There is also a third group of people involved - the Environmentalists. For them it is just the latest excuse to restrict our access to energy (why else sue over solar and oppose wind power), claim we are running out of resources and cry about there being too many people on the planet (ie Zero Population). They have been working on these three goals for decades and Global Warming is just a convenient fit with their agenda.
It's a sick, symbiotic relationship perpetrated by the Left who claim to care about the "little guy." In reality their "solutions" would doom billions of people to poverty and poor living conditions.
However the tide is turning against the Global Warming hypothesis. Someday the Global Warming scare will be studied as the first example of modern sustained mass hysteria fueled by the modern media and internet.
Have you ever studied paleoclimitology? Ice cores from the Greenland ice shelf? I would suggest that you do a little field work before making such broad statements.
The study of ice cores is an indispensible part of evaluating climate change. Over the past decade, research on the climate record frozen in ice cores from the polar regions has changed our basic understanding of how the climate system works. Changes in temperature and precipitation which previously we believed would require many thousands of years to happen were revealed, through the study of ice cores, to have happened in fewer than twenty years. These discoveries have challenged our beliefs about how the climate system works. We have been required to search for new, faster mechanisms for climate change and we have begun to consider the interaction between industrial man and climate in light of these newly revealed mechanisms.
Air bubbles trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years have revealed that humans are changing the composition of the atmosphere in a manner that has no known natural parallel.
The GOALS of most Earth scientists is to gather data, and come to logical conclusions from this data to better understand the Earth and the processes that operate on it, not to get GRANT MONEY and recognition. This thread was about global warming, not the political agenda of the left.
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There is also a positive correlation between global temperature and whatever I say it is (typical global warming scientific method)... I say the mornings will be cold and warmer as the afternoon comes around and then it will get cooler as we move past into midnight... gosh, I am good... this science is irrefutable...
Have you ever studied paleoclimitology? Ice cores from the Greenland ice shelf? I would suggest that you do a little field work before making such broad statements.
The study of ice cores is an indispensible part of evaluating climate change. Over the past decade, research on the climate record frozen in ice cores from the polar regions has changed our basic understanding of how the climate system works. Changes in temperature and precipitation which previously we believed would require many thousands of years to happen were revealed, through the study of ice cores, to have happened in fewer than twenty years. These discoveries have challenged our beliefs about how the climate system works. We have been required to search for new, faster mechanisms for climate change and we have begun to consider the interaction between industrial man and climate in light of these newly revealed mechanisms.
Air bubbles trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years have revealed that humans are changing the composition of the atmosphere in a manner that has no known natural parallel.
The GOALS of most Earth scientists is to gather data, and come to logical conclusions from this data to better understand the Earth and the processes that operate on it, not to get GRANT MONEY and recognition. This thread was about global warming, not the political agenda of the left.
So we disagree on the pursuit of grant money.
But where exactly do we disagree on climate change? You stated the change can come more rapidly than we thought based on ice core samples. Doesn't that weaken the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming? In other words, climate change has happened rapidly in the past before human activity could have been a factor so why can you assume that human activity is driving the rapidity of the changes now? (For the purposes of this question I am ceding that change is happening but that is not something I necessarily believe.)
i don't believe that we are the main cause in global warming. read this article it's really awesome and explains it better than i could.[url=http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/812/Do_people_cause_global_warming.html]Do people cause global warming? - by Frederick Seitz and Robert Jastrow - Environment & Climate News[/url]
The bulk of the world's scientists agree that it IS happening.
If we only had that knowledge, knowing the damage it is doing and expecting even worse in the future, I would vote for doing everything we possibly can, right now, to stop it.
The way I see it, doing nothing just allows the destruction of the globe to happen. Doing something may help the survival of our kids and their kids in the future.
It is irresponsible not to take action, and quickly. We may even now be beyond the point - or very near - of turning this around, but we must at least try.
The time for arguing should be over.
Sure, there are some pet projects that people will try to cling to, like TBonePickens and his love of carbon based energy sources, but they are small potatoes next to what the entire planet is facing.
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