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Old 09-29-2009, 06:38 AM
 
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DOE's 2010 budget for coal includes $431 million for carbon capture and recovery.

DOE's 2010 budget for wind, solar, geothermal and water power is $475 million.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:49 AM
 
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DOE's 2010 budget for coal includes $431 million for carbon capture and recovery.

DOE's 2010 budget for wind, solar, geothermal and water power is $475 million.

And this, of course, is is just current budget. It has to be noted that the Coal Industry has been receiving massive subsidies for DECADES.

It'd be interesting to know just how many hundreds of billions of dollars of subsidies the Coal Industry has received over the decades. I'd imagine it's a rather mind-boggling amount.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:53 AM
 
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I'd suggest finding some better sources and researching them instead of simply pasting the first couple of links that show up in Google that support your position. If I wanted to I could find articles supporting anything I want but I don't do that because the integrity of such sources is questionable.

Let's look at the link you used citing Greenpeace as an example because it's from 2007 just as the EIA report:

If you look at the EIA report Ethanol by itself received 3.25 billion so their figure of $330 million is laughable.
You can pick apart one or two of them if you like. You can question the credibility of Greenpeace if you want - their credibility is, of course, questionable.

But it's a little difficult to just live in absolute denial about the whole thing, isn't it?

You're the one who has been yelling about subsidies - going on and on and on about how Wind Power could NOT exist without them. But you've kinda gotten caught with your pants down, because it's OVERWHELMINGLY OBVIOUS that Coal Power has already received exponentially more dollars of subsidies than Wind Power ever will.

In addition, Wind Generators have NEVER spewed millions of tons of soot into the atmosphere, as has coal. Wind Generators don't make black snow.

It sounds to me like you're just a little scared that the Wind Power industry might be cutting into your gravy train.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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You can pick apart one or two of them if you like. You can question the credibility of Greenpeace if you want - their credibility is, of course, questionable.

But it's a little difficult to just live in absolute denial about the whole thing, isn't it?
Denial? if you had taken the time to read the EIA document I linked too you would see the coal subsidies are listed as well. I believe I even mentioned the coal subsidies in previous post in this thread and certainly others. Of course you proabaly haven't read it as you would have not provided articles as "proof" since they are so far from what the facts are.


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It sounds to me like you're just a little scared that the Wind Power industry might be cutting into your gravy train.
It's not my gravy train, actually quite the opposite. You, me and everyone else in the US will be paying the price for this, period. From a personal stand point a s I said before this legislation will only serve to substanially increase my personal wealth so bring it on.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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It's not my gravy train, actually quite the opposite. You, me and everyone else in the US will be paying the price for this, period. From a personal stand point a s I said before this legislation will only serve to substanially increase my personal wealth so bring it on.
We're already paying the price for it, and have been for decades.

The only real difference here is that petroleum and coal subsidies have been around for decades. Wind and ethanol subsidies are relatively new, and the coal & petroleum people are screaming and hollering about it.

It's hypocritical, really.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:14 PM
 
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We're already paying the price for it, and have been for decades.

The only real difference here is that petroleum and coal subsidies have been around for decades. Wind and ethanol subsidies are relatively new, and the coal & petroleum people are screaming and hollering about it.

It's hypocritical, really.
According to you, there has never been clear cutting of any Mountain Ridges for Construction of Wind Turbines and according to you petroleum people are screaming and hollering about Wind turbine subsidies! Well nothing like having a reliable source.

I do not want to upset you but that computer you have been using to make your posts have significant number of components made from petroleum products and the production of your nice little computer probably emitted a lot of Carbon into the troposphere!

By the way, many of the wind turbines are built with, as you would call it, big Oil & coal money. And when $$$$$$Green$$$$$$ Al Gore goes to cash in on all the money he is making off these inefficient, very expensive Wind Farms and Solar Farms, please make sure he thanks you and the others who are suffing$$$$$$ his pockets with $$$$$$
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:36 PM
 
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According to you, there has never been clear cutting of any Mountain Ridges for Construction of Wind Turbines and according to you petroleum people are screaming and hollering about Wind turbine subsidies! Well nothing like having a reliable source.

I do not want to upset you but that computer you have been using to make your posts have significant number of components made from petroleum products and the production of your nice little computer probably emitted a lot of Carbon into the troposphere!

By the way, many of the wind turbines are built with, as you would call it, big Oil & coal money. And when $$$$$$Green$$$$$$ Al Gore goes to cash in on all the money he is making off these inefficient, very expensive Wind Farms and Solar Farms, please make sure he thanks you and the others who are suffing$$$$$$ his pockets with $$$$$$
And I farted several times today, which means I produce my own gas.

So what's the point?
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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And I farted several times today, which means I produce my own gas.

So what's the point?
See, as you just stated, you keep making very valid points!

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Old 09-29-2009, 07:20 PM
 
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See, as you just stated, you keep making very valid points!
Since I'm producing gas, I believe I'm entitled to a hefty government subsidy.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:29 PM
 
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According to you, there has never been clear cutting of any Mountain Ridges for Construction of Wind Turbines and according to you petroleum people are screaming and hollering about Wind turbine subsidies! Well nothing like having a reliable source.
There has never been a mountain range clear cut for wind turbines. We've already proved everything you post is a lie.
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