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Old 12-08-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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There is main gas line about 1/4 mile fro house and the gas company won't run it to me unless I get all of my neighbor to sign up too. They are not interested. I told them ask for it so we get it - you don't have to use it...
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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Natural gas costs substantially less than propane and is a lot safer.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Unfortunately, in my current house, it is something I will never see here. In addition, I wanted to hook a generator up to it so I would never have to worry about running out of fuel or it going bad. Gas lines rarely go bad or down, unlike my utility power.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:28 AM
 
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Manufacturing solar panels involve toxic materials but very little of it is released into the air and water. Most of it comes from the toxic metals that are used and can be recaptured and disposed of properly.
False.

Solar Power's Toxic Footprint | Photovoltaic (PV) | ReWire | KCET

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One of those firms was the famously failed Solyndra, which reported production of 12.5 million pounds of hazardous waste -- one pound for every $42.80 the firm received in federal loan guarantees. Much of Solyndra's waste was cadmium-contaminated waste water.
That's one company.

But what's 12,500,000 pounds of cadmium in the water table where it eventually winds up?


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If factories near Shanghai are releasing the pollution into the environment, it's not because they have to.
Or they're trying to be profitable by minimizing expenses since they're businesses.

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That being said, the amount of pollution generated during the manufacturing of solar panels is minimal compared to that of burning organic materials. Today, the newest manufacturing processes have completely removed lead and cadmium making it even more safe.
Which...raises costs and reduces demand.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Manufacturing solar panels involve toxic materials but very little of it is released into the air and water. Most of it comes from the toxic metals that are used and can be recaptured and disposed of properly.
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That's still significantly less hazardous waste than is produced per kilowatt-hour by conventional sources of power like coal and even "clean-burning" natural gas, of course, and much of the toxic stuff formed when fossil fuels are burned is dispersed throughout our air and water rather than sequestered in hazmat facilities.
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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False.

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That's one company.

But what's 12,500,000 pounds of cadmium in the water table where it eventually winds up?




Or they're trying to be profitable by minimizing expenses since they're businesses.



Which...raises costs and reduces demand.
That is 12,500,000 lbs of water. Not cadmium. Cadmium is relatively easily removed from water under these sorts of conditions.

The whole argument about transportation is a form of environmental silliness. In general you simply don't move the gunk and the problem goes away.

Cadmium has vast usages of which PV cells is a tiny fraction.
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