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Old 09-24-2008, 01:36 PM
 
Location: USA
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"Obscene consumption" creates demand and jobs. Slow the economy, increase unemployment = BAD. More demand for products = GOOD.

Duh.

Oh yeah. Communism = BAD.
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:23 PM
 
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"Obscene consumption" creates demand and jobs. Slow the economy, increase unemployment = BAD. More demand for products = GOOD.

Duh.

Oh yeah. Communism = BAD.
Oh, don't ruin their fun. They're too busily congratulating themselves. Of course, what they don't realize is that when this downturn ravages the economy, their favorite coffee shops will be shuttered. And, when people have to choose between paying 20% extra for a green product versus a non-green product, they'll say "To hell with the environment," pluck the non-green product off the shelf and whistle their way to the cash register.

The problem with a lot of the greenies is that they really can't stick to a consistent ideology. They'll all dance around in a drum circle when consumer spending drops like a paralyzed falcon. Then, two-weeks later, they'll pick up a bunch of rudely-lettered placards to protest against the new round of unemployment.
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:30 PM
 
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"Obscene consumption" creates demand and jobs. Slow the economy, increase unemployment = BAD. More demand for products = GOOD.

Duh.

Oh yeah. Communism = BAD.
not sure i understand what you mean. communism = bad, were you serious or were you being sarcastic?

if you were being serious i can only assume that you've come to the conclusion that i'm a communist?! how you come to that conclusion i'm not sure but you are wrong. i'm a free market capitalist. i don't believe in govt bailouts, false demand and debt based consumerism.

you are obviously one of those people who believes that our obscene consumption is the only way to keep people employed. you obviously believe then everyone has adequate healthcare, dental, education, energy, quality nutrition, childcare etc. imo there are many shortages in the states to employ people. cheap consumer goods from china is not one of them, neither is misallocated debt!
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:42 PM
 
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Oh, don't ruin their fun. They're too busily congratulating themselves. Of course, what they don't realize is that when this downturn ravages the economy, their favorite coffee shops will be shuttered. And, when people have to choose between paying 20% extra for a green product versus a non-green product, they'll say "To hell with the environment," pluck the non-green product off the shelf and whistle their way to the cash register.

The problem with a lot of the greenies is that they really can't stick to a consistent ideology. They'll all dance around in a drum circle when consumer spending drops like a paralyzed falcon. Then, two-weeks later, they'll pick up a bunch of rudely-lettered placards to protest against the new round of unemployment.
another one who believes our out of control consumption of resources is the only way to employ Americans.
it's not about being green, there are many shortages at home where people would be better employed. healthcare, education, energy independence, old age care, childcare, small retailers(with better service and product). walmart, radioshack, penneys, macy's might employ a few people here but they employ 50times as many in Asia.
and in case you haven't been reading the news lately, we're bankrupt. we can no longer sustain our debt funded consumerist ways
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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another one who believes our out of control consumption of resources is the only way to employ Americans.
it's not about being green, there are many shortages at home where people would be better employed. healthcare, education, energy independence, old age care, childcare, small retailers(with better service and product). walmart, radioshack, penneys, macy's might employ a few people here but they employ 50times as many in Asia.
and in case you haven't been reading the news lately, we're bankrupt. we can no longer sustain our debt funded consumerist ways
Oh, no. Actually, I fully comprehend the toll it has taken. You're talking to a person who lives well within his means, doesn't buy big screen televisions, and dutifully recycles everything. However, I take deep exception to the self-congratulatory giddiness on the part of so many of the fashionably environmentalist movement who are highly detached from the realities of economics.
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:51 PM
 
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another one who believes our out of control consumption of resources is the only way to employ Americans.
it's not about being green, there are many shortages at home where people would be better employed. healthcare, education, energy independence, old age care, childcare, small retailers(with better service and product). walmart, radioshack, penneys, macy's might employ a few people here but they employ 50times as many in Asia.
and in case you haven't been reading the news lately, we're bankrupt. we can no longer sustain our debt funded consumerist ways
Oh, no. Actually, I fully comprehend the toll it has taken. You're talking to a person who lives well within his means, doesn't buy big screen televisions, and dutifully recycles everything. However, I take deep exception to the self-congratulatory giddiness on the part of so many of the fashionably environmentalist movement who are highly detached from the realities of economics.

By the way, I notice the dual address on your profile. Do you commute between two homes?
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Old 09-24-2008, 03:09 PM
 
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Oh, no. Actually, I fully comprehend the toll it has taken. You're talking to a person who lives well within his means, doesn't buy big screen televisions, and dutifully recycles everything. However, I take deep exception to the self-congratulatory giddiness on the part of so many of the fashionably environmentalist movement who are highly detached from the realities of economics.

By the way, I notice the dual address on your profile. Do you commute between two homes?

its not self congratulatory. i just believe the market has spoken and there is at least one positive spin off from that: we cannot continue to consume ourselves into a financially unsound and environmentally detrimental hellhole. things will be tough and i understand that.
i just pray that my baby daughters idea of social integration doesn't involve something called a MALL!

i don't commute. i will be moving back to the states next year. thanks for the concern though.

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Old 09-24-2008, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Jax
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However, I take deep exception to the self-congratulatory giddiness on the part of so many of the fashionably environmentalist movement who are highly detached from the realities of economics.

I don't know which of the previous posters you were referring to as being self-congratulatory, but I didn't sense that here. I think most of the "greenies" are more aware than your average person on issues of consumption.

Most greens are also well aware of the impact they make when an economic choice conflicts with the environmental choice. We already have a shortage of available freshwater, for example, and if we continue to pollute it, we're going to have serious problems. Oil is finite, we're going to have to make the greener choice there. I don't see being green as being detached from the issues, I think it's the people who don't care to make any green effort at all that are detached.
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:23 AM
 
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Oh, don't ruin their fun. They're too busily congratulating themselves. Of course, what they don't realize is that when this downturn ravages the economy, their favorite coffee shops will be shuttered. And, when people have to choose between paying 20% extra for a green product versus a non-green product, they'll say "To hell with the environment," pluck the non-green product off the shelf and whistle their way to the cash register.

The problem with a lot of the greenies is that they really can't stick to a consistent ideology. They'll all dance around in a drum circle when consumer spending drops like a paralyzed falcon. Then, two-weeks later, they'll pick up a bunch of rudely-lettered placards to protest against the new round of unemployment.
I just wish that they would just come out with all those better superior inventions that will make life evironmentally safer and cost efficient. I'm all for green, but most money these organizations bring in goes towards lawsuits against what they hate. Why not spend it on new and better technolgy and not the junk that has been put out there that is only workable in theory. The world should be a better and clean energy efficient place because of the efforts of these groups over the last decades and the facts unfortunately show us it's not.

Show us the inventions!!!
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Old 09-25-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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"Obscene consumption" creates demand and jobs. Slow the economy, increase unemployment = BAD. More demand for products = GOOD.

Duh.

Oh yeah. Communism = BAD.
Neither capitalism (unsustainable, constant growth) nor communism (completely impractical) are the answers for how an economy should be structured.
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