Scientists Call AP Report on Global Warming 'Hysteria' (solar panel, plants, trees)

[thecoalman]

Here's some more BS typically thrown about by the environnazi's. This picture was posted by someone else on my hosts forum, I unfortunately cannot find the original blog article but i have no doubt it it said something like pollution from a coal plant:




Looks bad right? Well first of all we were tossing around the idea this might be photoshopped but that's really besides the point. The large wide stacks you see in the midddle would be cooling towers which produce noithing but water vapor.... The tall skinny stacks to the right assuming this is in fact a coal plant would be the stacks where any coal emiisions would come from....however as anyone knows under the right conditions when heated air hits cold air condensation forms. Finally "wet scrubbers" which is one form of pollution control used at coal fired plants use water which will produce condensation making any stack appear as if spewing a trmendous amount of pollution.

I'm in no way suggesting that coal does not cause pollution but again it's propaganda like this that really needs to be examined. Do your research and don't be led around. I wonder how many people read the article where that came from and thought 'Oh my".... when all they were seeing was water.

[Art123]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Having said that to paraphrase Barack Obama as I forget the exact quote, if his environmental initiatives to convert to green energy are pushed through "Energy costs will neccesarily skyrocket", his words not mine. I have no reson to doubt him since none of the renewables are feasible.

You know there was a time when it wasn't feasible to sail a boat across the Atlantic, or to fly, or peddle a wheeled machine down the road.

Some day we will have to use renewables, because by definition, the non-renewable sources of energy will run out.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Art123

Some day we will have to use renewables, because by definition, the non-renewable sources of energy will run out.

I couldn't agree more and think within 2 or 3 decades the transition from coal can be well on its way easily with little impact to no impact to the economy. However reasonable and prudent decisions need to be made based on realistic goals and not knee jerk reactions.

[vec101]

I live within a few miles of a coal powered plant and I'd probably be pretty concerned if I didn't see the vapor clouds - would mean the plant has disappeared.
Never heard of any concerns regarding the plant.

[rlchurch]

All I can find is Obama counselling people anticipating putting in coal plants that they risk bankruptcy. Someone else's interpretation seems to be that electricity prices will skyrocket. That doesn't appear to be what Obama is saying. He seems to be saying that the plant owners will eat the cost difference.

Here is what appears to be the actual Obama quote

“Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
“What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.
“I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.”

[TexasHorseLady]

Well, he did say the actual words: Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.



However, that was just one sentence in the entire video, and you have to listen to the entire thing to get his meaning. But it was there, so if you didn't find it, you weren't looking very hard.

[thecoalman]

Here's the direct quote, and it's not taken out of context.

You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

Here's a partial audio track.
YouTube - Obama Promises Skyrocketing Energy Prices

It's from an interview conducted by newspaper which I beleive was located in S.F. There is no video I'm aware of, the full audio track of the entire interview is available but you'll have to go find it yourself. I'm actually quite surprised you have not heard this quote as it ignited a firestorm in many circles as it was released a few days before the election.

[TexasHorseLady]

coalman, I found several videos of the interview in which skyrocketing electricity prices was mentioned. So that there's no question at all that he said the words.

[thecoalman]

I'm going from memory here but the audio track was dumped on the internet shortly before the election. Of course neither side was happy about that. Obama's for the obvious reasons and others because it took so long to come out as the interview was recorded months before that.

The newspaper in question was accused of hiding it but I believe that wasn't the full story...you never get the full story anyway. In any event the resultant written article never mentioned he said that however as I understand it the interview was available if anyone wanted to download it albeit on a somewhat off the beaten path page. I think it might have been in the written articles author's blog. They weren't exactly hiding it but they didn't go out of their way to let it be known what he said. That's certainly quite a bold statement and deserved some coverage.

[vec101]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

I'm actually quite surprised you have not heard this quote as it ignited a firestorm in many circles as it was released a few days before the election.

... and that is an understatement!