Scientists Call AP Report on Global Warming 'Hysteria' (solar panels, heating, buying)

[TexasHorseLady]

More interesting articles regarding the coming Ice Age. Remember, folks, these were the authorities then, just like the authorities we have now (and, in some cases, the exact same authorities). Does any of this sound familiar, complete with increased storms, if you replace "Ice Age" with "Global Warming"?

Newsweek Article on The Coming Ice Age

Time Article on The Coming Ice Age

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Texas horse lady's panic is undoubtedly the decline in the Texas oil industry.

Not hardly. I've been watching folks run around like chickens with their heads cut off over this imminent disaster or that (usually mutually contradictory, running in cycles) for close on to 60 years now. A little bit of research will show that predictions of doom have recurred in a similar fashion for much longer than that.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by fatchance2005

So when someone cites these people as their "reference", they might want to keep that in mind. The paid lobbyists from the petrodollar industries saturate the internet with posts citing these guys every morning.

If you think there is no one on the Global Warming side that has no financial interest in making global warming a reality you're sadly mistaken. There's been a multi billion industry created because of this and many people are raking in the dough. This is the fundamental problem with any of these reports, you don't know who to believe and many of the scientist on the IPCC panel that are screaming the loudest have just as many skeletons in their closet as those that oppose their view. The problem as I have outlined is the dissenting side of this story is not being told.

.. in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf

Texas horse lady's panic is undoubtedly the decline in the Texas oil industry.

Although the Texas oil industry has seen a resurgence with new technologies it peaked in the early 70's.

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

More interesting articles regarding the coming Ice Age. Remember, folks, these were the authorities then, just like the authorities we have now (and, in some cases, the exact same authorities). Does any of this sound familiar, complete with increased storms, if you replace "Ice Age" with "Global Warming"?

Newsweek Article on The Coming Ice Age

Time Article on The Coming Ice Age

Isn't it reassuring that science has advanced in the 30+ years since that article. During that period we developed the science and models to understand the opposite is the actual risk, though at some point we will have to deal with an Ice Age. Perhaps we will have refined our understanding to the atmosphere by that point to engineer the climate to keep it hospitable to humans. Of course I'd expect you to be crying "NO. Let nature take its course."

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Isn't it reassuring that science has advanced in the 30+ years since that article.

Science I might add that needs to rely on data collected over those years. Consider the fact that much of this data relating to arctic ice has been gathered since that time because of the advent of satellites. They have nothing to compare it to previously.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Isn't it reassuring that science has advanced in the 30+ years since that article. During that period we developed the science and models to understand the opposite is the actual risk, though at some point we will have to deal with an Ice Age. Perhaps we will have refined our understanding to the atmosphere by that point to engineer the climate to keep it hospitable to humans. Of course I'd expect you to be crying "NO. Let nature take its course."

Where did you get that out of what I said, and why would you "expect" me to say something I didn't say? (By the way, in case you didn't know, I'm an EcoBroker with, theoretically, a financial interest in people believing the Global Warming theory and taking action out of that fear. So it would seem that if you expected anything from me, you'd expect just the opposite.)

What I said was, whenever there's this kind of push to panic (and there IS and has been a push to panic whether you want to acknowledge it or not), one should look very carefully at it and at the history.

You do realize that at the time of the "New Ice Age" theory (and I only pulled out the articles from that period, ignoring the current ones of which there were more available than from the 1970's), they were congratulating themselves on how much science had advanced in their time so that they could know the Absolute Truth? That's something that it's very wise to keep in mind about anything current, whenever we feel inclined to pat ourselves on the back about how advanced we are. Look 30 or 50 years down the road and just imagine what folks then will think about our advanced science and how much we thought we knew.

[vec101]

Originally Posted by fatchance2005

I have my survival to gain, for what that's worth. Global Warming was described in my textbooks when I was in High School (1960's). The main reason I remain convinced the fundamental concept itself is correct is that the physical laws of the universe (to the extent we understand them) prohibit anything else being true. Percival Lowell writing in the 1800's tried to make that point in his lecture series. I don't know how many people he convinced back then, but he did provide some ideas H.G. Wells enjoyed. I think the main issue then, in the '60's, and up until quite recently wasn't the question of whether or not it was true, but the maistaken assumption that we had far more time than has turned out to be the case. I wouldn't go by what you find on the internet. You can find any and every form of tomfoolery that way.

I respect your opinion.
But what I meant by gain, which perhaps you did pick up on, was not your gain personally. You had stated to beware of those who say global warming is not true because they may have a financial gain behind their stance. I propose that can also be true for many who take a stance saying global warming is indeed a fact.

I am on the fence as to global warming, the cause, etc. The more reading I do the more embedded on the fence I become.

[vec101]

Originally Posted by fatchance2005

I think the statements like "panic mode of the global warming hype...taking knee-jerk reactions" certainly don't describe me, or most of the people I know of who are informed and concerned. In fact they are insults, and examples of bad manners. Frankly, I don't care much about what is said on television or the internet. I am not paniced; the problem has been acknowledged by science since before I was born. If somebody encounters hype they should probably ignore it. I do. If a person is thinking about it, they aren't having a "knee jerk reaction". A knee jerk reaction is an example of a reflex arc. Reflex arcs bypass the brain entirely. If that is what is being said intentionally, someone simply wasn't spanked enough when they were small.

It appears you think my statement were directed at you and they were not. They were not directed at any person who is concerned or thinking about it, but moreover, my statements were not even directed at anyone posting on this forum.

My statement was: "I think increasing conservation, research into cleaner coal & gas along with alternative energy procedures, etc is great. What I don't agree with is the panic mode of the global warming hype. I can't see taking knee-jerk reactions."

I have read/seen hype directed at creating a panic-type mentality and I do not think the US should take knee-jerk reactions.

At a link from TexasHorselady's post - here is an example of the panic-mode hype of which I speak:
http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...-inline-bottom

Someone as smart as Bill Gates doesn't seem to get it. "Fortunately climate change, although it's a huge challenge, it's a challenge that happens over a long period of time," he said at a forum in Beijing last year. "You know, we have time to work on it." But the truth is we don't.

[vec101]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

More interesting articles regarding the coming Ice Age. Remember, folks, these were the authorities then, just like the authorities we have now (and, in some cases, the exact same authorities). Does any of this sound familiar, complete with increased storms, if you replace "Ice Age" with "Global Warming"?

Newsweek Article on The Coming Ice Age

Time Article on The Coming Ice Age

There was an interesting link from one of your links....

But how Gore buys his “carbon offsets,” as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper’s report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:
Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe . . . Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he “buys” his “carbon offsets” from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. ....... Gore Buys Carbon Offsets From Own Company | Sweetness & Light

[Brian.Pearson]

I'm on the fence, too. I'm not sure whether we should zig or zag, and by how much. Maybe by the time we get this all figured out one way or the other, it will be too late.