Windmills dismal performance

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by GregW

What type of plant is being built in Finland? That seems to be quite a delay by any standards.

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Originally Posted by GregW

I am an environmental scientist and I get very annoyed by "greens" being more concerned with the changes to "their" paradises without any concern for the rest of society. That gives folks the impression that all environmentalists are just spoiled brats. I am sick of "no hydro on my fishing stream", "no windmills in my view", and “no solar in my pristine desert “,” no nothing in ‘my’ backyard. Get real people the rest of us live here too and you do not own everything. Not only are those reactions annoying but the development of facilities to generate energy to create a better life for all morally more important than conserving your essentially private playgrounds.

All you have to do is travel to Russia or China to see the human benefits of a good environmental policy.

[GregW]

Russia and China are the results of a policy designed to maximize the returns to the local bureaucrats without concern for the economy or the environment of most of the population. What has happened in these countries is an example of maximizing profit, as defined by the bureaucrats, at any cost. The same would happen, and did happen, in our country when the robber barons of industry were in charge. Look at some pictures of heavy industry in the 1890’s or the 1950’s for examples. Poisoning people is different from interfering with the esthetics or their recreation.

What I am proposing is a reasonable consideration for developing a resource at some cost to a recreational resource but not the complete elimination of recreation. To some the view of a wide open seascape of prairie is desirable and that view is marred by the installation of wind turbines. Generally, but not always, the people desiring the perfect view are not the owners. No one can own the sea and the prairie is already owned by the people trying to make a living there. Degrading, an arguable point, the view is less important, IMHO, than the energy gained by the rest of the society.

Thanks for the link to the Finn Nuclear plant. I’ll check it out.

[sandbarcreek]

Originally Posted by AONE

personally I think we need to go to the smaller helical systems for each home and office. stop think at the power company level and go grass roots. lets kick the power company to the curb.

I agree! Having these home grown wind generators make much more sence than ravaging hundreds of thousands of acres only to produce a minor bleep in our energy grid. But just be sure your hoegrown wind puppy does not keep your neighbors up at night or you may be sued and hsve a legal bill that will wipe out all you saved on your electric bill!

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by sandbarcreek

I agree! Having these home grown wind generators make much more sence than ravaging hundreds of thousands of acres only to produce a minor bleep in our energy grid. But just be sure your hoegrown wind puppy does not keep your neighbors up at night or you may be sued and hsve a legal bill that will wipe out all you saved on your electric bill!

I would agree with that guy's point of view as well, but the problem is that existing power entities won't exactly allow that to happen. I believe we're a long way off from home grown power supply for each individual house.

Interesting that you would say that. It reminds me of the guy who was forced to cut down his redwood trees so that his nieghbour's solar system could work better. What a joke. Just what exactly is meant by Green anyway ???

Cage Match: Solar Panel Boy vs. Redwood Man