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Old 04-07-2009, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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Lisa Brewer doesn't consider herself a criminal and she really wants to help the environment -- even biking to work -- but she also wants clean dishes.

That's why later this week, the Spokane, Wash., resident plans to cross into Idaho and smuggle back some dishwasher detergent.

When Clean Dishes Means Smuggling Detergent - ABC News
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Next thing there will be a black market in Spokane for dish detergent.
Did no know dish detergent was banned anywhere. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:00 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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There are about 20 states doing exactly the same thing, mostly to tighten the loophole that was left for dish detergents when phosphorus was banned in all other soaps and cleaners.

There is a federal bill presently pending which will do the same thing country-wide.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The amount of Phosphate generated by cloths and dishwashing is just a drop in the ocean compared with runoff from over fertilized farms concentrated feedlot runoff. The agricultural business can by an exemption from environmental pollution restrictions but the individual consumers can only smuggle detergents. What a sick joke.
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Amateur. If she was serious about smuggling in order to get around environmental rules, she'd be crossing the Canadian border to load up on high flush toilets.
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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^^Anyone still do that? I thought they'd perfected the low flush toilet.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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^^Anyone still do that? I thought they'd perfected the low flush toilet.
We have a low flush toilet and it's pretty darn awesome.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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We have the dish detergent restriction here and I haven't noticed any difficulty with the dishes. In low rain years the point source effluents make a measurable difference in the nutritional load on the Chesapeake Bay. GregW is right, if it's a rainy year, agricultural runoff is much more important. My perspective is that the Chesapeake Bay is in such trouble, that anything we can do should be done.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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We have a low flush toilet and it's pretty darn awesome.
What exactly is the "it" you refer to as awesome?

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The amount of Phosphate generated by cloths and dishwashing is just a drop in the ocean compared with runoff from over fertilized farms concentrated feedlot runoff. The agricultural business can by an exemption from environmental pollution restrictions but the individual consumers can only smuggle detergents. What a sick joke.
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Indeed.
Not to mention the chemical-plant byproducts that 90% of the neighbors use to make their lawns resemble putting greens.

It just goes to show that if you can buy a legislator, he will do the right thing by your money. "Customers and bosses" known as taxpayers and citizens come in down the list somewhere.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:13 PM
 
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We have the dish detergent restriction here and I haven't noticed any difficulty with the dishes.
Soft water, I saw this article when it originally aired...


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but the key factor depends on how hard your water is. The harder the water, the less effective the phosphate-free detergents are.
We have no issue no matter what we use, actually use about half to one third whatever they recommend. We have a direct line coming off the coalboiler that goes to both the hot and cold water inlets on the dishwasher. This water will easily scald you immdetiely if it were coming out of the tap. We don't even use the heater on the dishwasher it's so hot.

For regular hot water we have it hooked up to electric hot water heater using a thermal siphon loop that continually and naturally replenishes the heat in the tank. Nothing more than a glorified storage tank.
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