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Old 05-13-2009, 10:57 AM
 
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D.C. Gets only 4% from renewables. The rest from other sources.
Energy Sources (DC) - Pepco

Anyone who claims where they know that every little electron that goes into their home comes from is living in a fantasy world.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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Off by a factor a 1,000,000. Moderator cut: No insults
It's still only less than 4% of the total energy distributed by the company.

Their "renewables dashboard" shows a total cumulative energy sourced from wind farms for the period 2005-2008 as 6,409,367 MWH's.

That's less than HALF of the MWH's produced from Wood Waste alone, which is still dwarfed by the energy produced from solid waste.

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Old 05-13-2009, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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It's still only less than 4% of the total energy distributed by the company.

Their "renewables dashboard" shows a total cumulative energy sourced from wind farms for the period 2005-2008 as 6,409,367 MWH's.

That's less than HALF of the MWH's produced from Wood Waste alone, which is still dwarfed by the energy produced from solid waste.
You must have a point here somewhere.... I'm fine with LFG and biopower. Wind has started from a non-existent base and is growing at about 30% per year in the United States. The electric utility industry size is something lay people have trouble graspig. It takes a long while to change.

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Old 05-13-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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What's there to dispute? It's a simplistic analogy that isn't applicable.
Explain why it isn't applicable, that should be quite simple Moderator cut: No insults or personal attacks . Your answer was simply a diversion and did not address my analogy. Here's a simple question if the coal plants all get shut down tomorrow do you still have electric?

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Old 05-13-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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D.C. Gets only 4% from renewables. The rest from other sources.
Energy Sources (DC) - Pepco

Anyone who claims where they know that every little electron that goes into their home comes from is living in a fantasy world.
This was just what I was talking with GregW about. Here we have another person who thinks electrons move around in the electric grid like little water molecules. Moderator cut: No insults or personal attacks

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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[quote=rlchurch;8791787]This was just what I was talking with GregW about. Here we have another person who thinks electrons move around in the electric grid like little water molecules. Moderator cut: No insults or personal attacks quote]
Moderator cut: No insults or personal attacks PEPCO supplies D.C.

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Old 05-13-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The last time I checked PEPCO owned no generation plants. They operate the wires that bring green energy to my house. But none of those electrons really flow my way.

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Old 05-13-2009, 01:28 PM
 
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Here's a simple question if the coal plants all get shut down tomorrow do you still have electric?
This is simple yes or no question... or do you have no clue what the answer is?
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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The last time I checked PEPCO owned no generation plants. They operate the wires that bring green energy to my house. But none of those electrons really flow my way.
What's your point? PJM doesn't own any power generation plants, either.

They're in the T&D business for the 13 states and D.C. area that they serve.

But without those producers at one end of the wires hooked up to your house, nothing beneficial happens. You can quibble about all of the technical points of electrical power generation and it's transmission, but the energy has to originate somewhere to be available for transmission to the end consumer.

And that's what you do when you flip on the switch as a power consumer ... you consume it to extinction. Your lights don't feed power back to the grid, your garbage disposal and HVAC systems don't feed power back to the grid for others to consume ....

The oversimplification of power transmission on this thread is a valid explanation of what happens when electrical power is generated from mechanical energy (from whatever source ... wind, hydro, steam from heat generation) and is then consumed by the purchasers of that power.
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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What's your point? PJM doesn't own any power generation plants, either.

They're in the T&D business for the 13 states and D.C. area that they serve.

But without those producers at one end of the wires hooked up to your house, nothing beneficial happens. You can quibble about all of the technical points of electrical power generation and it's transmission, but the energy has to originate somewhere to be available for transmission to the end consumer.

And that's what you do when you flip on the switch as a power consumer ... you consume it to extinction. Your lights don't feed power back to the grid, your garbage disposal and HVAC systems don't feed power back to the grid for others to consume ....

The oversimplification of power transmission on this thread is a valid explanation of what happens when electrical power is generated from mechanical energy (from whatever source ... wind, hydro, steam from heat generation) and is then consumed by the purchasers of that power.
I chose green energy producers. Thanks for proving my point.
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