US passes Germany in wind farm electric production (gas, natural, wind turbines)

[censusdata]

Actually happened last summer. Wind produced electricity has tripled in the US since 2005

http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/us...article-182148


Wind power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[my54ford]

big deal.....It's still only a tad over 1% of the energy produced in this country.... If you pee in the ocean does it get an saltier? Besides the Germans have learned it doesn't pay....

MURRAY/CALZADA/STAGNARO: Lessons from Europe - Washington Times

EurActiv.com - US overtakes Germany as ‘country for wind’ | EU - European Information on Energy Supply
Nevertheless, taking into account population size, the figures show that despite its bigger capacity, wind energy only produces a little over 1% of US electricity demand, according to the Global Wind Energy Council (GWEC). Germany, on the other hand, satisfies 7.5% of its electricity consumption with wind energy.

[Teak]

Thanks for the news censusdata. Give it time my54ford, the wind is a comin'. "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind...."

Boone Pickens is a billionaire, who has made his money in energy (don't say oil; he calls himself an Energy Man), so I will put my money on his idea of pushing for diversified sources of energy including wind. Lot of wind in west Texas and northward to Saskatchewan.

[my54ford]

Originally Posted by Teak

Thanks for the news censusdata. Give it time my54ford, the wind is a comin'. "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind...."

Boone Pickens is a billionaire, who has made his money in energy (don't say oil; he calls himself an Energy Man), so I will put my money on his idea of pushing for diversified sources of energy including wind. Lot of wind in west Texas and northward to Saskatchewan.

You think Pickens is a environmentalist??? He wants more money but now he knows it won't pay........
We’ll see what happens in 2-3 years,” he said. Construction of the wind farm was supposed to start in 2010, but this best-case scenario would involve a delay of at least a year. At this point there’s just no money to finance the wind project, says Pickens.
T. Boone’s Wind Farm: At Least 2-3 Years Off

The Debt Markets Cramped T. Boone’s Wind Plan

David Sassoon: Is T. Boone Pickens Selling Off Some Wind Turbines?

[Teak]

Originally Posted by my54ford

You think Pickens is a environmentalist??? He wants more money but now he knows it won't pay........
We’ll see what happens in 2-3 years,” he said. Construction of the wind farm was supposed to start in 2010, but this best-case scenario would involve a delay of at least a year. At this point there’s just no money to finance the wind project, says Pickens.
T. Boone’s Wind Farm: At Least 2-3 Years Off

The Debt Markets Cramped T. Boone’s Wind Plan

David Sassoon: Is T. Boone Pickens Selling Off Some Wind Turbines?

No. I never said that Pickens was an environmentalist. He makes money in the energy sector. Pickens also suggests the we utilize natural gas for truck transportation and solar (with batteries) for commuter cars. This is an ideas guy. Wants us off imported oil. Says that we spent US$475 billion last year on imported oil. (http://media.pickensplan.com/presski...s_06-05-09.pdf) So, he's not an oil guy; he's an energy guy.

No money to finance wind projects, eh? That would be: (1) because wind power is such a losing proposition; or (2) because of the seized-up capital markets?

Give it 1-3 years?? If wind power was a losing proposition, then that time period would be more like: give it 100-300 years.

If the electric utility companies have built transmission lines to bring electricity from coal-fired, oil-fired, natural-gas fired generation plants to the houses of America, can't those same transmission lines be used to haul electricity generated by wind turbines? I mean, electrons don't really care how they were produced, they tend to follow the same laws of physics, right? What did I miss in my university physics classes? (I may have been asleep: physics was at 8am everyday for an entire school year!)

[Teak]

Originally Posted by my54ford

big deal.....It's still only a tad over 1% of the energy produced in this country.... If you pee in the ocean does it get an saltier?
Nevertheless, taking into account population size, the figures show that despite its bigger capacity, wind energy only produces a little over 1% of US electricity demand, according to the Global Wind Energy Council (GWEC). Germany, on the other hand, satisfies 7.5% of its electricity consumption with wind energy.

Yup. You got your math correct: 1% is a small number. But I also studied math, and I discovered that to go from 0% to 100%, one must first pass through 1% (or 7.5%) before reaching 100%.

This discussion reminds me of the history of the Continental Drift Theory.

Peeing in the ocean? No, it does not make it saltier. Sea water is around 35 per mil (3.5%) salt, whereas urine is around 2%. You would be diluting the sea water, making it less salty.

[Captain Worley]

Originally Posted by Teak

Peeing in the ocean? No, it does not make it saltier. Sea water is around 35 per mil (3.5%) salt, whereas urine is around 2%. You would be diluting the sea water, making it less salty.

I would so steal this if it didn't make me look like I'd given the matter entirely too much thought.

[rlchurch]

The important question is how many coal plants have been installed in the last 5 years? How many planned coal plants have been canceled in the last 5 years? It took 100 years to build the electricity infrastructure we have today. It will take a few more to get rid of the obsolete coal-fired plants.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

How many planned coal plants have been canceled in the last 5 years?

This will last about as long as energy prices stay relatively low. When the squeeze starts on both available energy and the cost of it the public will wake up to what all this is costing them and the mindless idiots will get voted out.

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

This will last about as long as energy prices stay relatively low. When the squeeze starts on both available energy and the cost of it the public will wake up to what all this is costing them and the mindless idiots will get voted out.

LOL we just voted the mindless idiot out last November.

You lose. Cap and Trade will pass. Wind costs less than brown power TODAY in PJM.