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Old 07-08-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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The great thing about this is that corn that is processed for ethanol is still used for feed. Soybeans that have the oil extruded are still used for feed supplements.

This isn't an either/or situation.
i am just a humble dirt farmer, so bear with me....
right now, whole corn and soybeans are used as feed. if you take out the oil, it seems like what is left would have much less feed value, especially after the processes used to extract the oil. and the slack would have to be taken up by feeding them something else which would have to be grown also.
i'd still like to see some figures on how many acres of ground it would take to raise enough oil to replace even one day of our consumption. and, crops are only harvested once a year...while the oil tankers flow into the ports daily. so, we would have to multiply those acres by 365.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:11 AM
 
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Compression Ignition engines will run on anything that burns and flows through a pipe. A hemp oil fueled Diesel operating on Hemp oil (or waste veggie oil of any kind) would make a great core for a stand alone heat and electric power plant.
The Port of Houston had plans to construct a large bio-diesel facility in the recent past, but I am unaware of whether or not the plans came to fruition. What was interesting about this particular bio-diesel facility was that it would use beef tallow waste to produce bio-diesel. Apparently animal fats are just as convertible to fuel for compression ignition (Diesel) engines as vegetable fats. The difference being that this truly is not an "either or" arrangement and would not require setting aside massive acreages of arable land for fuel plants. The beef industry cranks out enormous volumes of waste fat that can be used as fuel. Even so, trying to power human development with renewable energy is just too large a problem to solve at present. Most proposals, some of which sound brilliant, amount to drops in the ocean.

Nuclear in concert with more abundant fossil fuels, like it or not, is the only viable way.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:56 AM
 
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The Port of Houston had plans to construct a large bio-diesel facility in the recent past, but I am unaware of whether or not the plans came to fruition. What was interesting about this particular bio-diesel facility was that it would use beef tallow waste to produce bio-diesel. Apparently animal fats are just as convertible to fuel for compression ignition (Diesel) engines as vegetable fats. The difference being that this truly is not an "either or" arrangement and would not require setting aside massive acreages of arable land for fuel plants. The beef industry cranks out enormous volumes of waste fat that can be used as fuel. Even so, trying to power human development with renewable energy is just too large a problem to solve at present. Most proposals, some of which sound brilliant, amount to drops in the ocean.

Nuclear in concert with more abundant fossil fuels, like it or not, is the only viable way.
yeah, i suppose since that big burger place quit frying in tallow, a lot of it is piling up...
it is good to think up uses for all of the true waste products, especially used cooking oil, but they are small solutions. as a farmer, i just don't see that there are enough extra crops to make fuel with. they also talk of making fuel from "waste products" like corn and bean stubble. these are not waste products. that plant matter needs to be worked back into the soil to make fertilizer for the next crop and sustain the life in the soil.
the "free" oil we have had all these years was a precious gift from the gods that we squandered. things will change when it is gone.
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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Default Ford and Lotus.

It was good enough for Henry.

Lotus Budmobile
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