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Old 09-30-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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I'm getting fairly old and I've never seen a catastrophic rupture of a refrigeration system. All the failures I've ever seen have been slow leaks. What's more people routinely use propane in their house connected to a lot more inventory than you need for a refrigerator. There's a handful of accidents in a year.

The risk is way overblown. The true story is that the replacement refrigerants have patents on them.
I see them ( ruptures ) on a near daily basis seeings how I'm in the business.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I see them ( ruptures ) on a near daily basis seeings how I'm in the business.
There are accidents every day with propane, but we still allow it in homes as a fuel. Proscribing it as a refrigerant makes little sense.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:01 AM
 
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There are accidents every day with propane, but we still allow it in homes as a fuel. Proscribing it as a refrigerant makes little sense.
You store propane tanks in your home ???? I hope you don't have children living with you.

Using propane to heat your home is different from using propane as a refrigerant in your fridge.
Your heater if fueled by propane operates at a very low pressure. Line pressures rarely exceed 7 psi with very small amounts of fuel present at any given time. The propane is stored in a tank outside the home.
Your fridge on the other hand operates at extremely high pressures well in excess of 200 psi which makes the propane charge very dangerous should a major failure take place.

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Old 10-01-2009, 04:29 AM
 
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Its more common that people think for gas dryers to cause a explosion and injure people.
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Old 10-01-2009, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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You store propane tanks in your home ???? I hope you don't have children living with you.

Using propane to heat your home is different from using propane as a refrigerant in your fridge.
Your heater if fueled by propane operates at a very low pressure. Line pressures rarely exceed 7 psi with very small amounts of fuel present at any given time. The propane is stored in a tank outside the home.
Your fridge on the other hand operates at extremely high pressures well in excess of 200 psi which makes the propane charge very dangerous should a major failure take place.
The stove is connect via pipe to a large propane tank outside the house. A malfunction can flood the house with propane. A refrigerator has a very small amount in inventory.
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Old 10-01-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Lake ice cut during the winter and stored in sawdust would be even better.

Learning to like warm beer would eliminate all the old inefficient refrigerators kept in the garage soley to store cold brewskis.

Consume as we go and less refrigeration is needed.

GE back from selling out the US and controlling the news media makes me want to follow their lead.

Make your own ice cream and eat all in one sitting, just like a case of beer....no refrigeration needed.
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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A refrigerator has a very small amount in inventory.
Natural gas explosions often times level entire city blocks. That we know.
But that does not excuse us from making our homes any less safe than they already are just to save a dollar or a penguin.

The the small quantity of propane ( Two pounds liquid ) in a house hold fridge is maintained at very high pressures and is more than enough to level a home..
And again I say, there is no excuse for making our homes any less safe than they already are at the present time.........
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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Natural gas explosions often times level entire city blocks. That we know.
We don't know that at all.
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But that does not excuse us from making our homes any less safe than they already are just to save a dollar or a penguin.

The the small quantity of propane ( Two pounds liquid ) in a house hold fridge is maintained at very high pressures and is more than enough to level a home..
And again I say, there is no excuse for making our homes any less safe than they already are at the present time.........
Our houses aren't from any actuarial standpoint less safe with propane-based refrigerators than with freon based refrigerants.
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Old 10-02-2009, 05:35 PM
 
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We don't know that at all.
Our houses aren't from any actuarial standpoint less safe with propane-based refrigerators than with freon based refrigerants.
You claim no knowledge of natural/propane gas explosions and then you close by claiming to be an expert on highly flammable propane gas used as a refrigerant in your home refrigerator.
So which is it ? You have no knowledge of propane gas or you are an expert in propane gas ?

Here's a link on gas explosions. Or google it yourself. I snatched the first one that came up

DRAMATIC VIDEO: 8 Firefighters, 1 Gas Employee Burned In Natural Gas Explosion | WUSA9.com | Washington, DC |
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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You claim no knowledge of natural/propane gas explosions and then you close by claiming to be an expert on highly flammable propane gas used as a refrigerant in your home refrigerator.
So which is it ? You have no knowledge of propane gas or you are an expert in propane gas ?

Here's a link on gas explosions. Or google it yourself. I snatched the first one that came up

DRAMATIC VIDEO: 8 Firefighters, 1 Gas Employee Burned In Natural Gas Explosion | WUSA9.com | Washington, DC |
What you said is that we often have natural gas explosions leveling city blocks. That's complete bunk.
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