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Old 10-26-2009, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Just guessing here, but perhaps most people aren't paranoid?
In spite of everything else I referenced, it's just put down to being paranoid. Figures. No concern about the economic or sovereignty implications.
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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In spite of everything else I referenced, it's just put down to being paranoid. Figures. No concern about the economic or sovereignty implications.
I looked at the references.

Standards for our financial institutions? That sounds excellent to me. And (from your link), "The board won't itself possess policing powers, which perhaps was Washington's greatest objection to outside financial regulation. It will monitor compliance through the IMF." All the talk in recent years about the global economy isn't just talk - it's here, and the economic implications for avoiding international agreements could be profound.

Long-term international cooperation on problems like climate change? Again, that sounds excellent to me. We've only got the one world we're all sharing.
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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I looked at the references.

Standards for our financial institutions? That sounds excellent to me. And (from your link), "The board won't itself possess policing powers, which perhaps was Washington's greatest objection to outside financial regulation. It will monitor compliance through the IMF." All the talk in recent years about the global economy isn't just talk - it's here, and the economic implications for avoiding international agreements could be profound.

Long-term international cooperation on problems like climate change? Again, that sounds excellent to me. We've only got the one world we're all sharing.
Have you by chance studied the history of the EU? I for one do not desire to see the U.S. go down that same path.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:14 PM
 
Location: mid atlantic
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I'll take the George Carlin approach....it is so conceited to believe we are going to stop an ice age.....besides nobody is worried about the planet....the planet will be fine....its your own hides your worried about.

Stopping an ice age or halting climate change....thats funny.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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I'll take the George Carlin approach....it is so conceited to believe we are going to stop an ice age.....besides nobody is worried about the planet....the planet will be fine....its your own hides your worried about.

Stopping an ice age or halting climate change....thats funny.
I'll take the practical, compassionate, human being approach ... there are many reasons to use less oil, to seek and develop alternative energy sources, to use our resources while at the same time protecting the environment.

I'm not especially worried about the planet for me - it's my kids, and their kids.

And "nobody is worried about the planet" sounds like a wild generalization.
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: mid atlantic
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I'll take the practical, compassionate, human being approach ... there are many reasons to use less oil, to seek and develop alternative energy sources, to use our resources while at the same time protecting the environment.

I'm not especially worried about the planet for me - it's my kids, and their kids.

And "nobody is worried about the planet" sounds like a wild generalization.

Nothing wild about it...we are worried about ourselves, nothing else.

The planet will shake us like a bad case of fleas one day.

My hope is that our kids care more than we do and try and do whats right because its right instead of for money or political gain or a phoney nobel peace prize.


PS...Our kids = our hides.......

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Old 10-29-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If long term, say 1,000's, of years, sustainability is concerned what sort of society, lifestyle or politics do you want? Tyrannies of the elite ruling over 10 billion impoverished humans or a Democratic Republic of less than a billion humans living very well in a sustainable paradise.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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I am so glad you were here to open my eyes! Attempting to preserve nature is a socialist plot: I should have known that all along!
And it is so convincing: it is amazing what one can do by editing videos and having few words taken out of their context.
I am grateful to you.
It is really too bad that capitalism (a love story) is getting some bad press lately: I am lost and don't know what to do. Please help!
"In July of 1998, 120 nations met in Rome and voted to endorse an
international criminal court. According to its own terms, when the
treaty is ratified by 60 nations, it will be capable of exerting
universal jurisdiction over every human being on the planet. "

A Global Court of Injustice
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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some intriguing opinions, given that much of today's "sustainability" movement is pretty classic "save money where you can" stuff. more insulation? saves you money on your heating bills. better windows? the same. long term payoff for a solar array on your roof? ditto.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:09 PM
 
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"In July of 1998, 120 nations met in Rome and voted to endorse an
international criminal court. According to its own terms, when the
treaty is ratified by 60 nations, it will be capable of exerting
universal jurisdiction over every human being on the planet. "

A Global Court of Injustice
Are you trying to tell us that you support the crime of Milosevic, Karadzic for example? that the massacre, rape of bosnian should stay unpunished?
Or are you more in support of the criminal responsible for the genocide in Rwanda?
I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. I am glad that such a court exists. Thank you.
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