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Old 11-16-2009, 09:56 AM
 
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I just spent $100 (after rebates) on a bunch of rolls of R25 Insulation. I'm adding to the insulation already in our attic.

As I've been working, I've been thinking about how many people I know who have absolutely no idea how much insulation they have, and don't care.

I know, without much question, that the $100 I spent on more insulation will save me a little over $4 per month on my heating and cooling bill. In (no more than) 2 years, the cost of the insulation is paid off, and it's 100% savings. Where else can you invest $100, and earn $50 per year in "dividends"?

In addition to saving that kind of money, it just makes "green" sense to highly insulate and seal our houses.


I have no idea how or why more people can't see this!

Last winter, during a cold snap, I was talking with a brother-in-law about the cold. He was complaining about how his furnace was running non-stop - 24-hours per day - but couldn't keep their house warm. I asked him what he had for insulation, and he simply said, "Virtually nothing." What the heck? He is not a stupid man - at least not about most things - but his gas bill is over double what mine is, and he lives in a smaller house!

I have no idea how or why more people can't see this!
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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I have no idea how or why more people can't see this!
Maybe they need glasses to see the value in glass !
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:26 PM
 
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Certainly makes a big difference as do the windows. I'd have some customers that changed out 50+ year old windows and add some insulation that would cut their energy bill in half. That's no exaggeration.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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Certainly makes a big difference as do the windows. I'd have some customers that changed out 50+ year old windows and add some insulation that would cut their energy bill in half. That's no exaggeration.
I have absolutely no problem believing that.

My family lives in a big old 2-story brick house, built in 1928. It's a fabulous house, and in remarkably good condition. But it does, of course, have 80 year old windows.

So every year, I get a couple tubes of Seal N Peel - seasonal silicone caulk - and seal every window in the house. $5 per tube, and it's absolutely amazing the difference it makes.

We heat our 4,000 sf house for considerably less than my wife's brother heats his house - and it's only 1,800 sf and has a brand new high efficiency furnace in it.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:43 AM
 
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Even without the rebates, insulating is smart.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:51 AM
 
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Even without the rebates, insulating is smart.
You're absolutely right.

The tax credits aren't going to make a HUGE difference to me, because I work hard on my taxes anyway.

But as it now stands, I have (after the mail-in rebate) just over $100 in that insulation. I anticipate about $20 in tax savings because of the credits. That means I have $80 invested in something that's going to save me money for the rest of my life.

It's a no-brainer.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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couldn't agree more. we insulated out attic crawl space to R-52, and got a solar attic fan and an extra vent installed.

this is what they call "low-hanging fruit," unfortunately insulation seems to not be sexy enough to get much attention. Maybe due to its nature of being concealed...?

RE: windows, I got excellent ones about 5 years ago and noticed an instant improvement, but one thing I need to do is go back (per an energy audit of my home) and take the frames off to fill the spaces where the old rope-pulley system used to be. that's a pretty large gap.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:54 AM
 
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couldn't agree more. we insulated out attic crawl space to R-52, and got a solar attic fan and an extra vent installed.

this is what they call "low-hanging fruit," unfortunately insulation seems to not be sexy enough to get much attention. Maybe due to its nature of being concealed...?

RE: windows, I got excellent ones about 5 years ago and noticed an instant improvement, but one thing I need to do is go back (per an energy audit of my home) and take the frames off to fill the spaces where the old rope-pulley system used to be. that's a pretty large gap.
Hey - maybe if you were naked when you were installing the insulation it'd "get more attention." I'd bet something noticeable would happen!


Man, I like your thinking about the R52 & attic fan - and also sealing up around the windows. Frankly though, I'm a little surprised that whoever installed the windows didn't insulate around them. The good news, though, is that removing and re-installing trim is usually pretty simple.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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if I got windows replaced today I suspect it might come up, but no, 7 years ago it wasn't really in the public mind.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:53 PM
 
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Windows take a much longer pay-back period than does insulation. If a home owner does not stay in the home more than 7 years following the installation of new windows they will not realize their investment. In certain parts of the country replacement windows are not "real value" added to a house when it comes time to sell.

Now, if "cap & tax" passes and energy bills/taxes rise by 3-5x as is predicted by a federal energy tax, then the payback period will be much more quickly realized.

Insulation is a quicker payback and also adds significantly to personal comfort.
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