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Old 03-05-2010, 06:12 AM
 
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Everyone who cares about an issue, has an "agenda".

Omaha, there is a difference between artificial cross pollination and injecting genes into seeds.

I buy organic valley milk and they will possibly have their organic cows consuming GE alfalfa that wandered into their fields and now they can no longer call their organic milk "organic." Should we just change the regulations concerning the term USDA organic and allow GE/GMO foods into the organic category?

This is really not about world hunger at all. We are not feeding the world and this issue has no affect on our ability to do so.
Injecting genes into seeds...

I can only assume that, at the same time, they're also injecting steroids and nuclear radiation into the seeds as well?
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:44 AM
 
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Omaha... Are you ignoring the response. You stated we have been GE'ing for years. I stated that a hybrid is not the same thing as GMO/GE. Do you disagree?

And yes, injecting genes... if you know something different about how genetic modification or engineering works please let us know. I am not a scientist, I am just going by what I read.

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In the process of Transgenesis genes from a different species are inserted, which is a form of horizontal gene transfer.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:54 AM
 
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Omaha... Are you ignoring the response. You stated we have been GE'ing for years. I stated that a hybrid is not the same thing as GMO/GE. Do you disagree?

And yes, injecting genes... if you know something different about how genetic modification or engineering works please let us know. I am not a scientist, I am just going by what I read.
Transgenesis has been going on for about a century now. It is little more than forced hybridization, and is used for the purpose of making disease resistant crops.

The "Hope" strain of wheat is one such product of transgenesis. A wild grass gene was injected into the wheat DNA to create a hybrid of wheat that was resistant to "wheat rust."

Basically, transgenesis has been extremely helpful and good to the world's food supply.
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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You can't inject nuclear radiation into seeds unless you implant a radioactive isotope in the seed. This would be pointless, dangerous, and expensive. You can, however, place a foodstuff in a radiation flux in order to kill any living creatures (bacteria, viruses, insects) in or on the food. A strong gamma flux will kill the undesirables without causing any residual radiation, and is much better than using chemicals or anything which might leave a dangerous residue.

A strong neutron flux can "activate" metallic elements in the foodstuff and make it radioactive and unfit for consumption. Thus we do not use neutron radiation to irradiate food.

I guess the original question was about labelling of food. No, I have no problem with GM foods making their way into the Organic Food supply chain because I don't buy organic foods. If I did care about Organic Foods and fear GM crops, I could see how people would want to keep OG foods free.

I can see why there is legitimate concern about GM foods, as some of the chemicals produced by GM plants are meant to make them resistant to pests and diseases. These chemicals could be carcenogens or toxins. However, I trust in the regulatory system and in the bio-engineers (though maybe not the Chinese) not to create toxic or carcenogenic products.

In the end, unless you grow it yourself, you have to trust in the work of others at some point. If you buy Organic, you have to trust that the Organic means of destroying harmful pests (viruses, bacteria, etc.) actually work, and--as the OP mentions--that the producers REALLY ARE following the rules.

In the end, the basic question is do you trust Organic Farmers/Merchants more than you trust Scientists/Engineers? I, personally, trust/mistrust them both at equal levels. I think the Engineers/Scientists have better tools and control equipment to ensure the food supply is safe, so I will stick with GM foods as a personal choice. They also have more money and a higher public profile should I get sick/die from their product, thus my family will be more likely to recoup some of the loss from them.
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