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Old 05-10-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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In the last 12yrs I have not used any pesticides, most don't.Gonna have to disagree again - source?
The source is me and my neighbors, I grow corn/wheat/milo, I'm a farmer.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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that's anecdotal, not evidence, Cap'n. any monoculture planting needs fertilizers & herbicides/pesticides, Monsanto's Round Up is evidence A, I can get you more on the pesticides if you really want.

btw, on subsidies, go to corn here:

Agricultural subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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Do you really want to contribute to the health and well-being of the planet--not just for Earth Day, but every day? Resolve to give up eating meat for just one day a week (more would be even better). Human beings are not obligate carnivores. We do not require meat to survive--our bodies are actually healthier without it.



Save the environment: Eat less meat (http://www.ujf.net/page.aspx?id=165851 - broken link)

We can regulate fossil fuels and the machines that use them until we're blue in the face and we will not resolve the number one cause of greenhouse gases.



According to Dr. David Brubaker, PhD, at Johns Hopkins University’s Center for a Livable Future, “The way that we breed animals for food is a threat to the planet. It pollutes our environment while consuming huge amounts of water, grain, petroleum, pesticides and drugs. The results are disastrous.”

Not a day goes by when some politician or movie star doesn't go on television and preach to the masses about using public transportation, recycling, or switching to Earth friendly light bulbs. These actions are all well and good, but if we continue to produce animals for food--devoting otherwise usable resources that would feed millions of starving people into the wasteful and polluting process of factory farming, we remain nothing more than hypocrites--able but not willing to sacrifice our carnivorous ways in order to save the world in which we live.
Do you have a better way to make meat? Nobody wants to live on a diet of corn (except an occasional corn-on-the-cob fest.)
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Screw that, I'll eat meat every day. I don't need to not eat meat to feel better about myself or have some person tell me they are a better person because they don't eat it.

The true close-minded people are the liberals who think everyone who doesn't live like them is some sort of evil redneck. It is rather annoying they have to find a way to look down on every other person who doesn't share their belief.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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I really dont care that much, I give Earth about 5 to 10 years before something catastrophic happens.
princes... I really doubt anything is going to happen in 5-10 years. We will not even run out of oil in 5-10 years. Things may happen in parts of the world, but many and most parts of the world will probably be OK for some time to come.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Screw that, I'll eat meat every day. I don't need to not eat meat to feel better about myself or have some person tell me they are a better person because they don't eat it.

The true close-minded people are the liberals who think everyone who doesn't live like them is some sort of evil redneck. It is rather annoying they have to find a way to look down on every other person who doesn't share their belief.
burgler nobody is saying you are not allowed to eat meat.

My best suggestion for you is to go see how the meat that you eat lives and dies, and then make an educated decision about whether you think it is acceptable.

Most people just do not care. They are far removed enough from their food, and it is cheap enough that they don't actually bother to think about it.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Do you have a better way to make meat? Nobody wants to live on a diet of corn (except an occasional corn-on-the-cob fest.)

VT absolutely yes, Buy local, free range grass fed meat.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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The source is me and my neighbors, I grow corn/wheat/milo, I'm a farmer.
If you do not grow pesticides then are you growing organically, or are you using herbicides?
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:16 PM
 
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that's anecdotal, not evidence, Cap'n. any monoculture planting needs fertilizers & herbicides/pesticides, Monsanto's Round Up is evidence A, I can get you more on the pesticides if you really want.

btw, on subsidies, go to corn here:

Agricultural subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I give up.

You are correct, you know more than I do. What do I know, I'm a farmer/rancher.....you live in the city.

You want to quote Wikipedia now?

Take care Chi, but I'm done w/your BS. Sorry.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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burgler nobody is saying you are not allowed to eat meat.

My best suggestion for you is to go see how the meat that you eat lives and dies, and then make an educated decision about whether you think it is acceptable.

Most people just do not care. They are far removed enough from their food, and it is cheap enough that they don't actually bother to think about it.
I agree.

Small local sources are good. Find a farm and visit. Get to know your cow/chicken before you eat her.

Even better, raise and slaughter your own (if you have the resources to do so). Obviously, several folks here already do so.

Hunt. Yes, you heard me, learn to hunt! And that comes from one of those vegetarian, closed-minded , "liberals" you so despise . Taking over-populated animals out of the wild in a clean and humane manner is much prefered to buying the meat of animals that suffer due to inhumane practices at "factory" farms. (IMHO, I know I may be an oddity ).
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