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Old 05-14-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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I don't think anyone here is advocating cruelty. Certainly I do not. Yet I believe that one is capable of eating meat and fish without being some sort of monster. Humans are omnivores; our bodies function most effectively on a varied diet. Sanctimonious veganism is like fundamentalist religions-- go ahead and inflict it on yourself if it makes you feel superior. But don't expect me to buy in to your wacky ideas and don't bother me if my body feels the need for a steak or some sushi.
once again-it's not about feeling superior to anyone it's about compassion to all sentient beings and not just one's own species. da vinci, pythagoras, edison, einstein & ghandi had the same "wacky" idea's about non-violence too. you might be interested in this btw:


YouTube - Peter Singer - The Genius of Darwin: The Uncut Interviews - Richard Dawkins
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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I believe every body is different. Some can handle going weeks w/out meat, some can't. I'm one that can't. Just how my body works. I'm healthy, family is healthy, 99% of the people I truely know are healthy. Must be alright, people have been eating it for quite a while.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Peter Singer. PETER SINGER?

""Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons, therefore the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee." (Peter Singer, Practical Ethics, 1979)

Among other things. (And I can't view that particular video due to connection issues at the moment.)
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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It can be very rewarding in its own right IMHO. I'm not simply talking about health benefits (sanctimonious vegan chiming in here).

To the OP: I think it depends on the individual. I hardly ever get sick anymore since I've started eating a vegan diet, and I suspect that my Mexican ancestry has quite a bit to do with it. . . Centuries of living off mostly maize, rice, and beans must have an impact on the way the body makes use of the protein it rceives. My uncle, on the other hand (who incidentally happens to be of mostly Spanish lineage), became sick and anemic when attempting a well thought out vegetarian diet.
I once watched a very interesting PBS show about this. It focused on Native Americans and how they are often doomed to obesity, since their ancestors ate as you describe...grains, berries, etc. and on a modern diet they do badly.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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I just talked to my doctor today, who has heart disease in his family, and he is on a vegan diet...no oil, meat, dairy, eggs or fish. What I want to know is, who wants to live longer if you only eat steamed vegetables and rice?
That's funny. I like Bobby Flay's quote: "Life is too short not to eat salt."
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I once watched a very interesting PBS show about this. It focused on Native Americans and how they are often doomed to obesity, since their ancestors ate as you describe...grains, berries, etc. and on a modern diet they do badly.

It's not the foods fault, it didn't jump in and force it's way down their throat.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Meat! Om nom nom!
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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how is it sanctimonious to care about the suffering of other living things? btw, no human needs meat to live and be healthy.

“A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite.”—Count Leo Tolstoy
The only reason vegans can survive today is because of the sanctuaries of human existence that we have artificially created. Humans are omnivores. That is why as a species we are successful. Vegans as well as lots of other groups of humans have been allowed to live because of the ability to create temporal barriers from the savage processes of nature. Vegans only exist today because aggressive omnivores have paved the way for their existence. I laughed at the thick irony as I was watching your video post thinking how many hundreds of thousands of animals died so those two "intellectuals" could sit in the high rise surrounded by other high rises and theorize on the levels of cruelty of the natural world. There is no cruelty in the natural world there is only living and dying. Kill or be killed.

I wonder if the coyotes I observed during deer hunting season last year had any thoughts of compassion as they ripped a living struggling screaming wounded yearling deer apart for an afternoon feast. Now that would have made a great background for the above video post instead of the sterile surroundings of society.

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Old 05-14-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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Certain animals are for human consumtion. A doctor of mine told me it was NOT what I ate but HOW much of what I ate. The body needs a variety and NOT a steady diet of just one thing...all veggies or all meat.

Personally I have tried to go without a meat diet and after a while start to get a headache...will stop in for a Big mac and 20 mins later the headache is gone...also seem to have more energy...whatever it takes I suppose.

Steve
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Old 05-14-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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Certain animals are for human consumtion. A doctor of mine told me it was NOT what I ate but HOW much of what I ate. The body needs a variety and NOT a steady diet of just one thing...all veggies or all meat.

Personally I have tried to go without a meat diet and after a while start to get a headache...will stop in for a Big mac and 20 mins later the headache is gone...also seem to have more energy...whatever it takes I suppose.

Steve
Take two big Mac's and call me in the morning. Great standup material.
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