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Old 11-13-2010, 04:46 AM
 
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I just finished Mark Lynas' book '6 Degrees'- a profound book about how in the period of 100 years of human activity- we are quickly changing the earths climate that in natural climate change once took 10,000 or more years.

Imagine in the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM, 50 million years ago- the massive release of carbon rose global temps by 5-6 degree C- but this was over tens of thousands of years-

we are now doing the same thing in a century- chilling to say the least- and the outcome even by 2030 will not be pretty.

 
Old 11-13-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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I just finished Mark Lynas' book '6 Degrees'- a profound book about how in the period of 100 years of human activity- we are quickly changing the earths climate that in natural climate change once took 10,000 or more years.

Imagine in the PaleoceneĖEocene Thermal Maximum (PETM, 50 million years ago- the massive release of carbon rose global temps by 5-6 degree C- but this was over tens of thousands of years-

we are now doing the same thing in a century- chilling to say the least- and the outcome even by 2030 will not be pretty.
Sounds like a good fantasy read.
 
Old 11-13-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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If you are looking for 'Fantasy' I suggest you look for representative John Shimkus of Illinois who says global warming will not happen- Cuz 'God will not permit it.'

Now that's real science right?
 
Old 11-14-2010, 09:13 AM
 
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If you are looking for 'Fantasy' I suggest you look for representative John Shimkus of Illinois who says global warming will not happen- Cuz 'God will not permit it.'

Now that's real science right?
About as real science as using climate models. I don't consider either to be of any worth outside of amusing claims without proper support. /shrug.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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There is a huge difference between climate models and religion- but you of course cannot even begin to see the difference.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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There is a huge difference between climate models and religion- but you of course cannot even begin to see the difference.
Both attempt to speculate, both rely on assumptions as to what is real, both require belief, not validation.

Maybe you can point out to me in the scientific method the part where assumptions become conclusions without validation? I mean, my education is in the traditional fields of science, so please excuse me if I am not up on all that "new age" science you speak of.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Back in 88 or 89 I was a commodities broker, it was a very dry summer (the first half). The "Experts" said avacados would be growing in the midwest within 50 years, hmmm. It's been over 30 and we aren't close!
 
Old 11-15-2010, 04:16 AM
 
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Back in 88 or 89 I was a commodities broker, it was a very dry summer (the first half). The "Experts" said avacados would be growing in the midwest within 50 years, hmmm. It's been over 30 and we aren't close!

I would like to see the exact information or link that said 'Avocado's would be growing in the Midwest in 50 years'-- what 'Experts'? In 1988- no less

Back in 1988 climate science and global warming where hardly known- it was not until the late summer of 1988 that Dr. James Hansen testified before congress warning about Greenhouse gasses. I doubt he said 22 years ago that tropical fruits and plants would be growing in the Midwest. His mathematical predictions where pretty straight forward- and without the use of climate models have been very on target.

If you would like to see evidence of 'zone creep' in agriculture- you might compare the 1990 USDA map- with the one released by the Arbor foundation 4 years ago-and since the release of that map- the zones have changed- for the warmer. http://www.arborday.org/media/zones.cfm

The maps above show a gradual warming from 1990-2006- not enough for lush tropical vegetation to be growing in Manhattan- however with winter temperatures on average- 4-5 degrees warmer in the tri state area today, compared to 1970- the number of more sub tropical/temperate plants being able to grown in gardens throughout the northeast and Midwest has increased. Southern Magnolia for example has increased its range north all across the Midwest and northeast.

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Old 11-15-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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What does NASA think about climate change?




sea levels?




How many of you are scientists?
 
Old 11-15-2010, 07:35 PM
 
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What does NASA think about climate change?




sea levels?




How many of you are scientists?
Pretty pictures.

I didn't realize it was 2060 already?


Sea levels?




Seriously, do you check what you post?

You do realize those are mock ups, not actual observed data. They are predictions and assumptions, assumption might I had to which have consistently been shown false and they keep having to update them.

Remember all the predictions from 10 years ago? You know, sea ice would be gone in 2010 and the sea levels would rise several meters, etc...

Did they happen? Nope... Sure is a travesty.

*chuckle*

Seriously, start reading rather than parroting and maybe you might learn something.
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