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Old 08-01-2019, 10:28 PM
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So - Greensboro can support two (2) downtown grocery stores ? Are they "mom and pop" mini-store / convenience or traditional stores like Harris Teeter, Publix, Food Lion or Wegmans ?

No offence, but neither Greensboro or Winston Salem is not large enough, at this time, to support a "real" grocery store downtown. Don't even know if Raleigh can. Time will tell.

Deep Roots Market is a locally member owned co-op. Not a traditional grocery store by any means, but I would love them to come here. No way Carroll will land a traditional store like Harris Teeter, Food Lion Wegmans etc. Neither will WS.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:33 PM
 
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So - Greensboro can support two (2) downtown grocery stores ? Are they "mom and pop" mini-store / convenience or traditional stores like Harris Teeter, Publix, Food Lion or Wegmans ?

No offence, but neither Greensboro or Winston Salem is not large enough, at this time, to support a "real" grocery store downtown. Don't even know if Raleigh can. Time will tell.

Deep Roots Market is a locally member owned co-op. Not a traditional grocery store by any means, but I would love them to come here. No way Carroll will land a traditional store like Harris Teeter, Food Lion Wegmans etc. Neither will WS.
A grocery store is a grocery store local co-op or chain. The only difference is that its local but its still a full service grocery store, not a mom and pop convenient store. Deep Roots is literally like a mini Whole Foods. If any downtown can support those kind of grocery stores which are generally higher priced than traditional stores, it can support a "chain". We'll see what Carroll has planned and what Winston-Salem has planned.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:39 PM
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Downtown Greensboro has a small member-owned co-op store. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a far cry from a Harris Teeter, Food Lion, Fresh Market, Wegmans, etc. Carroll will not land a major grocery store in his SOB project. Not enough downtown residents to support one at this time. Even though you say Winston-Salem can support a downtown grocery store, I don't think the time is right.

A chain store will require specific demographics before they will even CONSIDER opening a store, and right now, neither downtown Greensboro or Winston-Salem would qualify. Reality is reality.
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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Downtown Greensboro has a small member-owned co-op store. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a far cry from a Harris Teeter, Food Lion, Fresh Market, Wegmans, etc. Carroll will not land a major grocery store in his SOB project. Not enough downtown residents to support one at this time. Even though you say Winston-Salem can support a downtown grocery store, I don't think the time is right.

A chain store will require specific demographics before they will even CONSIDER opening a store, and right now, neither downtown Greensboro or Winston-Salem would qualify. Reality is reality.
Does it really matter if its a chain or not? Also most downtiwn grocery stores, chain or not are small. Very rare to see a typical size grocery store in a downtown.

But having a downtown grocery store is more important than whether or not its a chain store.
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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Downtown Greensboro has a small member-owned co-op store. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a far cry from a Harris Teeter, Food Lion, Fresh Market, Wegmans, etc. Carroll will not land a major grocery store in his SOB project. Not enough downtown residents to support one at this time. Even though you say Winston-Salem can support a downtown grocery store, I don't think the time is right.

A chain store will require specific demographics before they will even CONSIDER opening a store, and right now, neither downtown Greensboro or Winston-Salem would qualify. Reality is reality.
What are those specific demographics?
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Old 08-02-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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I've never really understood this argument. I know that is the reality. A population needs to exist before a grocery store will open in a downtown. But downtowns are destinations. People should travel there just like they travel to their existing grocery store. How many people live in Friendly Center?
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:36 PM
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Grocery stores consider other factors in addition to general population, such as:

a. Average household income in the targeted area.
b. Number of existing grocery stores in the targeted area.


People typically shop for groceries near where they live. Weekends are the heaviest shipping days because many people work during the week, and shop on weekends. They typically go to the nearest grocery store to where they live They will not normally drive from the 'burbs" to go downtown just to shop for groceries.


If a targeted area doesn't meet the "household income" threshold, they will not build.
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Old 08-03-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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Again I don't care whether a grocery store is a chain store or not. Its about the products and services for downtown, not the name. The fact is downtown Greensboro has a grocery store, the demographics are there. And downtown Winston-Salem can support a grocery store. It doesn’t have to be a chain store like Harris Teeter or Publix.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Greensboro has a co-op market near downtown...not a full fledged grocer on the level that slackjack is referring to or what is being considered for Winston's downtown.

Deep Roots looks really nice and is huge asset for Greensboro's core, though.
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Old 08-03-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Greensboro has a co-op market near downtown...not a full fledged grocer on the level that slackjack is referring to or what is being considered for Winston's downtown.

Deep Roots looks really nice and is huge asset for Greensboro's core, though.
I guess the question is what is full fledged? Deep Roots may be co-op but that doesnt change the fact that it is a full service grocery store with produce, deli and bakery. If its size that he is referring to, downtown grocery stores are typically small. Deep Roots is 11,000 square feet. The uptown Harris Teeter in Charlotte is 18,000 square feet, not that much bigger and the one being considered for downtown Winston-Salem will probabally be similar in size. Carroll is also planning a second downtown grocery store for Greensboro but the size and its offerings are not known at this point. Some new downtown grocers are getting larger though (around 45,000 square feet)

Deep Roots Market in downtown Greensboro. Its just like Whole Foods but smaller.







Marty Kotis also has a grocery store planned for downtown Greensboro but on the south side. Not sure how concrete those plans are but this is actually a chain store. Looks like residential above it.



Downtown Winston-Salem and Greensboro have the demographics. There are grocery stores all over town even the poorest of neighborhoods. People act as though downtown is an island with no residential for miles. In fact, downtown Winston-Salem and Downtown Greensboro are surrounded by a number of residential neighborhoods so its not just about downtown proper residential population although the growing population in the downtowns is a contributing factor.

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