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Old 03-26-2016, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Keep in mind in terms of usable floors we are talking about 28-stories. Probably 6 to 8 of those floors will be for the hotel which means in terms of office space it would be like a 20-story building, comparable to the rest of the downtown office towers. Its the 8-story parking deck and spire which will push it to 561 feet tall so I don't seeing anything unrealistic about this project. Its not 561 feet of office space and its certainly not as large in scope as the "Greensboro Triumph Center" which was being proposed by an inexperienced developer. But since you brought that up, almost every element in the Greensboro Triumph Center is either currently in the works or being planned by separate developers.

Greensboro Triumph Center elements:

- major musical hall (Steven Tanger Center for the Performing Arts)

- two hotels (four to five are actually in the works for downtown with one already under construction)

- office space (once small office building has been completed with another one in the works not including project 561)

- amusements (The Greensboro rotary club plans on building an indoor/outdoor carousel near the childrens museum. Similar amenities will be included in LeBauer Park)

- retail & restaurants (these kind of establishments are opening up all the time in downtown Greensboro)

- residential (residential is popping up all over the place with CityView's latest expansion, the Greenway at Fisher Park, The Greenway at Stadium Park, Southeastern Building, and Carroll at Bellemeade).

The only element that was a part of the Greensboro Triumph Center which has not happened and probably won't happen is a major convention center because the the city already has one at I-40 and Gate City Blvd. However two of the hotels in the works will have conference centers including the Hyatt Place currently under construction. If the Koury Convention Center did not exist today, you can bet one would be in the works for downtown and it would probably either be a part of Roy Carroll's project 561 or destined for the New and Record lot across from the depot/Amtrak station which would be the likely location for a major convention center. Its the largest available site for such a center and would be across the street from a train/city and regional bus hub/coach bus hub and future Wyndham hotel. The site is also a block a way from the heart of downtown's restaurant/entertainment/theater district. Its the best and most strategic location for a major convention center but unfortunately the Koury Convention Center was built 26 years ago during a time when many cities weren't focusing on downtown revitalization and at the time downtown Greensboro was a terrible location for a major convention center because the center-city lacked all of the amenities it has today. So it had to be built in a high visibility location next to the interstate near restaurants, the mall and the coliseum. In 1990, downtown was dead after hours with very few restaurants bars or entertainment options. You could hear a pin drop in downtown Greensboro on a Friday night.

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Old 03-26-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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Its not 561 feet of office space and its certainly not as large in scope as the "Greensboro Triumph Center" which was being proposed by an inexperienced developer. But since you brought that up, almost every element in the Greensboro Triumph Center is either currently in the works or being planned by separate developers.
You do have an interesting way of spinning things. It must have taken you all of a week to come up with that one.
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Old 03-26-2016, 11:21 PM
 
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Its not 561 feet of office space and its certainly not as large in scope as the "Greensboro Triumph Center" which was being proposed by an inexperienced developer.



Now you're finally admitting that "Mr. Cain" was an inexperienced developer after having lead a cheerleading campaign all over the internet, even when it was obvious to everyone else that this was nothing more than a farce???
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Keep in mind in terms of usable floors we are talking about 28-stories. Probably 6 to 8 of those floors will be for the hotel which means in terms of office space it would be like a 20-story building, comparable to the rest of the downtown office towers. Its the 8-story parking deck and spire which will push it to 561 feet tall so I don't seeing anything unrealistic about this project. Its not 561 feet of office space and its certainly not as large in scope as the "Greensboro Triumph Center" which was being proposed by an inexperienced developer. But since you brought that up, almost every element in the Greensboro Triumph Center is either currently in the works or being planned by separate developers.

Greensboro Triumph Center elements:

- major musical hall (Steven Tanger Center for the Performing Arts)

- two hotels (four to five are actually in the works for downtown with one already under construction)

- office space (once small office building has been completed with another one in the works not including project 561)

- amusements (The Greensboro rotary club plans on building an indoor/outdoor carousel near the childrens museum. Similar amenities will be included in LeBauer Park)

- retail & restaurants (these kind of establishments are opening up all the time in downtown Greensboro)

- residential (residential is popping up all over the place with CityView's latest expansion, the Greenway at Fisher Park, The Greenway at Stadium Park, Southeastern Building, and Carroll at Bellemeade).

The only element that was a part of the Greensboro Triumph Center which has not happened and probably won't happen is a major convention center because the the city already has one at I-40 and Gate City Blvd. However two of the hotels in the works will have conference centers including the Hyatt Place currently under construction. If the Koury Convention Center did not exist today, you can bet one would be in the works for downtown and it would probably either be a part of Roy Carroll's project 561 or destined for the New and Record lot across from the depot/Amtrak station which would be the likely location for a major convention center. Its the largest available site for such a center and would be across the street from a train/city and regional bus hub/coach bus hub and future Wyndham hotel. The site is also a block a way from the heart of downtown's restaurant/entertainment/theater district. Its the best and most strategic location for a major convention center but unfortunately the Koury Convention Center was built 26 years ago during a time when many cities weren't focusing on downtown revitalization and at the time downtown Greensboro was a terrible location for a major convention center because the center-city lacked all of the amenities it has today. So it had to be built in a high visibility location next to the interstate near restaurants, the mall and the coliseum. In 1990, downtown was dead after hours with very few restaurants bars or entertainment options. You could hear a pin drop in downtown Greensboro on a Friday night.

Parking deck floors are much shorter than office floors and hotel floors also are shorter than Office. Our new 43 floor apartment tower will probably be a tad bit shorter than our new 26 floor office tower (all office, 1 floor of lobby) 300 south Tryon will be around 463 feet including it's pretty tall crown.

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It seems 28 floors, 15 or so being parking deck and hotel, would have to have not only a tall crown, but a really tall antenna to hit 561 feet.
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Old 03-29-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Not all hotels are created equal. Mr Carroll may decide that he wants higher ceilings in the hotel. In all likelihood the hotel floors will be consistent with the office floors being that both will be in the same tower.

As for Mr Cain, at first no one knew who was behind the Greensboro Triumph Center. At the time DGI president Ray Gibbs said it was an Orlando Development company. At that time the project was taken more seriously until it was revealed that it was Mr Cain
Maybe he was attempting to work with an Orlando based development company. I don't know.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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Not all hotels are created equal. Mr Carroll may decide that he wants higher ceilings in the hotel. In all likelihood the hotel floors will be consistent with the office floors being that both will be in the same tower.

As for Mr Cain, at first no one knew who was behind the Greensboro Triumph Center. At the time DGI president Ray Gibbs said it was an Orlando Development company. At that time the project was taken more seriously until it was revealed that it was Mr Cain
Maybe he was attempting to work with an Orlando based development company. I don't know.

Who took the Triumph Center more seriously? I know you did when no one else seemed to and you were very adamant and argumentative about it...I never ran across anyone who actually thought that project was going to happen other than you. It just doesn't pay off to crow about such things before they begin, but I know that lesson didn't and won't sink in.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:47 PM
 
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You do have an interesting way of spinning things. It must have taken you all of a week to come up with that one.

Good one...he actually is still harping on that one and is now acting like it DID happen because of other projects that have nothing to do with it. Some people will never learn.
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Good one...he actually is still harping on that one and is now acting like it DID happen because of other projects that have nothing to do with it. Some people will never learn.
Totally agree. No one pays much attention to this thread anymore and it's mainly because of his unrealistic prognostications.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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When you sit and think about something long enough, it becomes real in your mind. This kid will put a spin on anything to keep the conversation going and keep it relevant to his perception of the way things are or could be in the mind.

It's a way to keep the conversation going about Greensboro and justify a fantastical delusion.
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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When you sit and think about something long enough, it becomes real in your mind. This kid will put a spin on anything to keep the conversation going and keep it relevant to his perception of the way things are or could be in the mind.

It's a way to keep the conversation going about Greensboro and justify a fantastical delusion.

And I definitely agree with that! I have a feeling that he spends lots and lots of time sitting and thinking about this stuff. But sadly enough, he's the only one keeping the conversation going in this thread with himself.

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