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Old 01-08-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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As not just a person of color, but as a human being planning to move to NC , I was appalled to discover the Greensboro Massacre, where people of color and several whites were gunned down without mercy by the KKK, not in 1949, '59, or even '69, but 1979 and apparently the murderers walked scott free. Are the people responsible and the officials who did nothing still in the area? How has Greensboro changed since that incident 35 years ago. How are black and white relations and communications today? Racism? Interracial friendships and dating? Surrounding areas? Nearby rural areas?
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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None of the people involved were from Greensboro. The two groups had been taunting and baiting each other for many months, all over NC. The situation just happened to explode in G'boro. It could have been anywhere. It was one event, nearly 40 years ago. Greensboro has moved on. Race relations in the city and area are about the same as most places; that is to say, not perfect, but not terrible either.

Your hyperbolic language indicates you already have a firm opinion on the event, so I'm not sure why you're even posting this. Without going into every detail, it was billed as a "death to the Klan" rally, and the protesters openly taunted the Klan to come and fight. It was not clear at the criminal trials who actually fired first,but it was clear that the protectors instigated the altercation. And a civil suit brought by the protestors against some of the assailants and the G'boro police was successful.

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Old 01-08-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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None of the people involved were from Greensboro. The two groups had been taunting and baiting each other for many months, all over NC. The situation just happened to explode in G'boro. It could have been anywhere. It was one event, nearly 40 years ago. Greensboro has moved on. Race relations in the city and area are about the same as most places; that is to say, not perfect, but not terrible either.

Your hyperbolic language indicates you already have a firm opinion on the event, so I'm not sure why you're even posting this. Without going into every detail, it was billed as a "death to the Klan" rally, and the protesters openly taunted the Klan to come and fight. It was not clear at the criminal trials who actually fired first,but it was clear that the protectors instigated the altercation. And a civil suit brought by the protestors against some of the assailants and the G'boro police was successful.
NONE of the people involved were from Greensboro? I find that hard to believe...
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Old 01-08-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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NONE of the people involved were from Greensboro? I find that hard to believe...
I was here when it happened. None of the people involved were from Greensboro.
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Old 01-08-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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NONE of the people involved were from Greensboro? I find that hard to believe...
Well then do some research and prove otherwise. I'll clarify a bit and say none of the organizers on either side were from G'boro. The Klansmen were almost all from Lincolnton, China Grove and other places west of G'boro. The demonstrators were members of the Communist Workers Party, almost all of whom were from out of state. Some of them had come to G'boro in an effort to unionize the textile mills.

The point is, the incident was not a result of some sort of racial problem in G'boro. It was a premeditated event that could have occurred anywhere. The CWP just happened to have a contingent in G'boro doing union organizing at the time, and decided to pick a fight with the Klan. The state of race relations in Greensboro had nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:15 PM
 
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Well then do some research and prove otherwise. I'll clarify a bit and say none of the organizers on either side were from G'boro. The Klansmen were almost all from Lincolnton, China Grove and other places west of G'boro. The demonstrators were members of the Communist Workers Party, almost all of whom were from out of state. Some of them had come to G'boro in an effort to unionize the textile mills.

The point is, the incident was not a result of some sort of racial problem in G'boro. It was a premeditated event that could have occurred anywhere. The CWP just happened to have a contingent in G'boro doing union organizing at the time, and decided to pick a fight with the Klan. The state of race relations in Greensboro had nothing to do with it.


The ones involved in the altercation may have not been from there, BUT all of the jurors that acquitted those thugs ARE from there.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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The ones involved in the altercation may have not been from there, BUT all of the jurors that acquitted those thugs ARE from there.
Correction WERE from Greensboro. So, you're saying Greensboro is a hotbed of racism? Really? The backstory of the trial disproves that:

"The state criminal trial began August 4, 1980. Community activist who had participated in the anti-Klan rally refused to testify, not wanting to participate in the system they believed targeted them, and believing there was enough evidence to convict without their testimony. Experts in sound analysis who had examined the media footage of shots fired testified, but the evidence did not clearly indicate whether initial shots were fired by Klansmen or protesters. The prosecution team had also planned to call police informant Eddie Dawson as a witness, but after meeting with him they decided it would be in their best interest not to. Jury deliberations began on November 10, 1980. On November 17, after a week-long deadlock, the jury returned a not-guilty verdict on all five murder counts, finding that the prosecution had failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

"The Greensboro community responded to the verdict with outrage and disbelief. Soon thereafter, many individuals and organizations called for federal prosecutors to investigate the possibility of initiating criminal charges for violations of federal law. In February 1982, a federal grand jury was convened to investigate and decide if federal charges could be filed regarding the shootings. Approximately one year later, indictments were filed against nine men. All nine of the men were charged with conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a person because of their race or religion, and conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a person participating in an integrated activity. Four men were also charged for a violation of civil rights that resulted in the injury or death of persons."

"In the federal trial, witnesses were called from the Klan, Nazis, and those connected to the anti-Klan rally. Once again evidence was produced regarding the sound and video recordings of the media footage of the shooting. Expert witnesses were called by both the prosecution and criminal defense lawyers, providing contradicting explanations as to which side had initiated the gun fire. Jury deliberations began on April 13, 1984. Three days later the jury rendered another not-guilty verdict on all charges, finding, through it’s verdict, that federal prosecutors had also failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt."

November 3, 1979, Five People Murdered At "Death to the Klan" Protest - Today In Crime History - DeThomasis and Buchanan | Gainesville Criminal Defense Attorneys | Blog and News

"... a 1985 civil lawsuit led by the Christic Institute and their lead attorney Daniel Sheehan won a verdict in federal civil court against five of the assailants and two police officers. The verdict is one of the few decisions in a Southern court to date against law enforcement officials accused of collusion with Klan violence. The survivors won a $350,000 judgment against the city, the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party for violating the civil rights of the demonstrators."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre
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Old 01-08-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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correction were from greensboro. So, you're saying greensboro is a hotbed of racism? Really? The backstory of the trial disproves that:

"the state criminal trial began august 4, 1980. community activist who had participated in the anti-klan rally refused to testify, not wanting to participate in the system they believed targeted them, and believing there was enough evidence to convict without their testimony. Experts in sound analysis who had examined the media footage of shots fired testified, but the evidence did not clearly indicate whether initial shots were fired by klansmen or protesters. the prosecution team had also planned to call police informant eddie dawson as a witness, but after meeting with him they decided it would be in their best interest not to. Jury deliberations began on november 10, 1980. On november 17, after a week-long deadlock, the jury returned a not-guilty verdict on all five murder counts, finding that the prosecution had failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

"the greensboro community responded to the verdict with outrage and disbelief. soon thereafter, many individuals and organizations called for federal prosecutors to investigate the possibility of initiating criminal charges for violations of federal law. in february 1982, a federal grand jury was convened to investigate and decide if federal charges could be filed regarding the shootings. Approximately one year later, indictments were filed against nine men. all nine of the men were charged with conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a person because of their race or religion, and conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a person participating in an integrated activity. Four men were also charged for a violation of civil rights that resulted in the injury or death of persons."

"in the federal trial, witnesses were called from the klan, nazis, and those connected to the anti-klan rally. Once again evidence was produced regarding the sound and video recordings of the media footage of the shooting. expert witnesses were called by both the prosecution and criminal defense lawyers, providing contradicting explanations as to which side had initiated the gun fire. jury deliberations began on april 13, 1984. Three days later the jury rendered another not-guilty verdict on all charges, finding, through itís verdict, that federal prosecutors had also failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt."

november 3, 1979, five people murdered at "death to the klan" protest - today in crime history - dethomasis and buchanan | gainesville criminal defense attorneys | blog and news

"... a 1985 civil lawsuit led by the christic institute and their lead attorney daniel sheehan won a verdict in federal civil court against five of the assailants and two police officers. The verdict is one of the few decisions in a southern court to date against law enforcement officials accused of collusion with klan violence. The survivors won a $350,000 judgment against the city, the ku klux klan and the american nazi party for violating the civil rights of the demonstrators."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/greensboro_massacre
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Old 01-08-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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The overwhelming attitude of virtually all Greensboro residents was: "How dare they come to our city and do this."
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Old 01-08-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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The overwhelming attitude of virtually all Greensboro residents was: "How dare they come to our city and do this."
Yeah. Nobody could believe it happened here.
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