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Old 11-21-2017, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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But apparently with a better chance of landing HQ2 than Newark, NYC, Chicago, Philly, and Pittsburgh. No one in their right mind believes this.



And it doesn't even meet the population threshold, among other criteria. Lumping Greensboro-High Point in with Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte just because they are all in the same state is absolutely ludicrous. You even have to wonder whether whoever wrote this understands the difference between MSA and CSA. It would have been one thing to say Greensboro/Winston-Salem, but Greensboro-High Point, the actual MSA separate from Winston-Salem? Come on now...smh.
When Winston-Salem is included with Greensboro/High Point it does meet the population requirement but for some reason, Winston-Salem was not mentioned in the report. To me MSA and CSA are irrelevant because however the metros are diced it still doesn't change the fact that the Triad has 1.6 million people. Thats the data companies will be looking at. They aren't just going to look at the Greensboro/High Point metro population and ignore Winston-Salem a county over. From city limit to city limit, Greensboro and Winston-Salem are only about 6 or 7 miles apart. I actually thought it was rediculous to divide Greensboro, Winston-Salem and High Point into to seperate MSAs because the commuting patterns and close proximty should keep the Triad cities in a single MSA. Hypothetically speaking, if the Greensboro area got both Toyota/Mazda plant and Amazon, it would be a big game changer for the area. Growth and development would begin to skyrocket to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham levels because both would attract thousands more jobs and other companies. Greensboro's populational growth rate would also see a significant bump.

Here is the News and Record link.

http://www.greensboro.com/business/l...771b6d0ad.html

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Old 11-21-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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When Winston-Salem is included with Greensboro/High Point it does meet the population requirement but for some reason, Winston-Salem was not mentioned in the report. To me MSA and CSA are irrelevant because however the metros are diced it still doesn't change the fact that the Triad has 1.6 million people. Thats the data companies will be looking at. They aren't just going to look at the Greensboro/High Point metro population and ignore Winston-Salem a county over. From city limit to city limit, Greensboro and Winston-Salem are only about 6 or 7 miles apart. I actually thought it was rediculous to divide Greensboro, Winston-Salem and High Point into to seperate MSAs because the commuting patterns and close proximty should keep the Triad cities in a single MSA.
Commuting patterns is what split the two due to the change in threshold. I agree that the Triad is still a region of 1.6 million, but I was referring to the fact that the ranking included Durham with Raleigh but not Winston-Salem with Greensboro. It's an absolutely horrible ranking by just about any measure but I know you're playing it up because it ranked your city highly, despite the facts on the ground that argue against it.

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Hypothetically speaking, if the Greensboro area got both Toyota/Mazda plant and Amazon, it would be a big game changer for the area. Growth and development would begin to skyrocket to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham levels because both would attract thousands more jobs and other companies.

Here is the News and Record link.

Greensboro-High Point area gets high marks from CNBC in Amazon HQ2 competition | Local Business | greensboro.com
The Triad isn't getting HQ2, but I'd put money on Toyota-Mazda and that by itself will be big for the region.
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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For whatever reason CNBC ranks NC as #1 for a shot ay Amazon, that's cool. That's exciting. I agree with them as far as it not being such a long shot as most would like to believe. Still don't think it will probably because of something like incentives. However, CNBC is simply naming and ranking EVERYWHERE in NC so that if NC does win, they pretty much look like they were right regardless. Hickory stands zero chance and though the Triad isn't impossible its chances aren't much better. This whole article was a debacle even though it's cool to see mainstream media rank NC #1. But if NC were to win it would be in the Triangle or Charlotte. Period.

Adding on to this after re-reading the article. It appears that they are doing this ranking off of NC alone and giving that high marks. Not rating each individual cities bid and how they rank among each other. They just listed the 3 largest MSA's that submitted bids as a representation of NC. Nothing more.

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Old 11-21-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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For whatever reason CNBC ranks NC as #1 for a shot ay Amazon, that's cool. That's exciting. I agree with them as far as it not being such a long shot as most would like to believe. Still don't think it will probably because of something like incentives. However, CNBC is simply naming and ranking EVERYWHERE in NC so that if NC does win, they pretty much look like they were right regardless. Hickory stands zero chance and though the Triad isn't impossible its chances aren't much better. This whole article was a debacle even though it's cool to see mainstream media rank NC #1. But if NC were to win it would be in the Triangle or Charlotte. Period.

Adding on to this after re-reading the article. It appears that they are doing this ranking off of NC alone and giving that high marks. Not rating each individual cities bid and how they rank among each other. They just listed the 3 largest MSA's that submitted bids as a representation of NC. Nothing more.
Yes, even if HQ2 did come to NC, they most certainly would locate within 45 mins of a major airport, so that puts Charlotte or Raleigh as the only true contenders in the "NC region."
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Old 11-21-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Adding on to this after re-reading the article. It appears that they are doing this ranking off of NC alone and giving that high marks. Not rating each individual cities bid and how they rank among each other. They just listed the 3 largest MSA's that submitted bids as a representation of NC. Nothing more.
That's why it's such a crap ranking, as if every (large) metro in a state stands an equal chance of landing HQ2 just because they are in the same state. They did the same with PA (Philly, Pittsburgh) and TX (Austin, Dallas, Houston).

And one of the drawbacks for Atlanta according to the article is that Georgia is stingy with incentives. That alone tells you they don't know what they're talking about, LOL.
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Old 11-21-2017, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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That's why it's such a crap ranking, as if every (large) metro in a state stands an equal chance of landing HQ2 just because they are in the same state. They did the same with PA (Philly, Pittsburgh) and TX (Austin, Dallas, Houston).

And one of the drawbacks for Atlanta according to the article is that Georgia is stingy with incentives. That alone tells you they don't know what they're talking about, LOL.
Yea this is actually a pretty embarassing article for CNBC
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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I think if North Carolina is on their radar and they are looking at a regional approach combining all three major metros, then you have to start looking at the possibilities of the Triad considering its central location would draw workers from all three metros. But thats only in that scenario which is unlikely.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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I think if North Carolina is on their radar and they are looking at a regional approach combining all three major metros, then you have to start looking at the possibilities of the Triad considering its central location would draw workers from all three metros. But thats only in that scenario which is unlikely.
100% unlikely. The criteria in the RFP are there for a reason.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Almost everything in Amazon's RFP for HQ2 would have to be stretched for the Triad, let alone Greensboro. No city is a perfect fit but as far as NC goes, Charlotte and Raleigh/RTP fit the RFP much closer. Being in the middle of both does not provide an "advantage" over the two larger metros when they already have stronger advantages in everything else. Charlotte could pull from the Triangle and the Triangle could pull from Charlotte easily just like the Triad can pull from both. You wouldnt be asking someone to move across the country its just a few hrs away in the same state.
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Almost everything in Amazon's RFP for HQ2 would have to be stretched for the Triad, let alone Greensboro. No city is a perfect fit but as far as NC goes, Charlotte and Raleigh/RTP fit the RFP much closer. Being in the middle of both does not provide an "advantage" over the two larger metros when they already have stronger advantages in everything else. Charlotte could pull from the Triangle and the Triangle could pull from Charlotte easily just like the Triad can pull from both. You wouldnt be asking someone to move across the country its just a few hrs away in the same state.
This is not going to happen period. But Charlotte could not draw away from raliegh the same way because they wouldn't necessarily have to move from there home if it was in the triad. I'm from D.C. So a 50min- hour commute is not bad. But this is not happening so I'd rather focus on Toyota.
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