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Old 11-21-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: NC High Country
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Sexton: Scandalous state politics may swing choice for auto plant between NC and Alabama | Scott Sexton | journalnow.com
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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Cooper? He has no power to do anything. Berger and Moore control what kind of incentives are offered for this project. And after spending years railing against "corporate welfare" and staking their political careers on the concept that lowering taxes for everyone is the best incentive, it will be mighty hard (politically) for them and their colleagues in the General Assembly to do an about face and throw a billion dollars at Toyota/Mazda.

I'm not arguing the benefits of this project, or whether its worth a big incentive package, I'm merely pointing out the political reality, which can't be ignored.
Moore isn't against incentives. Berger is. Are people in his district close enough to benefit from this? I heard that Berger is under investigation.
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Old 11-26-2017, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Looks like the state is pushing hard now for the Greensboro-Randolph megasite and the $1 billion Toyota/Mazda is asking for is being pursued. We just have to beat Alabama now. The sex scandal in Alabama has made national headlines and I do think it hurts Alabama's chances. Toyota/Mazda isn't going to want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Right now their decision is based on politics. They want more senators and governors on their side and they can get that with a plant in North Carolina. They are not going to want to work with someone accused of messing with underage girls. Dealing with Alabama right now is toxic.

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Old 11-27-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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Looks like the state is pushing hard now for the Greensboro-Randolph megasite and the $1 billion Toyota/Mazda is asking for is being pursued. We just have to beat Alabama now. The sex scandal in Alabama has made national headlines and I do think it hurts Alabama's chances. Toyota/Mazda isn't going to want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Right now their decision is based on politics. They want more senators and governors on their side and they can get that with a plant in North Carolina. They are not going to want to work with someone accused of messing with underage girls. Dealing with Alabama right now is toxic.
The Alabama election will be held on December 12, and Moore is trailing in the polls. If he loses, it will be a non-issue to Toyota/Mazda.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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The Alabama election will be held on December 12, and Moore is trailing in the polls. If he loses, it will be a non-issue to Toyota/Mazda.
That's still a big "if." It's Alabama after all, and Jones still has his work cut out for him in terms of getting certain groups to turn out, particularly African Americans.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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That's still a big "if." It's Alabama after all, and Jones still has his work cut out for him in terms of getting certain groups to turn out, particularly African Americans.
Its not that big of an if; Jones is ahead in the polls. I also don't think a Roy Moore victory causes Toyota/Mazda to automatically exclude AL from contention.
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Its not that big of an if; Jones is ahead in the polls. I also don't think a Roy Moore victory causes Toyota/Mazda to automatically exclude AL from contention.
I'm not as trusting of polls anymore, especially with a Trumpian candidate on the ballot. I agree that a Moore victory doesn't automatically knock AL out of contention, but it could play a role here.
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Old 11-27-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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Its not that big of an if; Jones is ahead in the polls. I also don't think a Roy Moore victory causes Toyota/Mazda to automatically exclude AL from contention.
For the record, candidates like Moore frequently perform better in elections than they do in polls. Polls usually involve telling someone over the phone what you're planning to do, and there are no actual stakes to your answer. In the election booth, you're all by yourself. A lot easier to make an unpopular choice--or one you might be a little ashamed of--when no one's looking.

But all that aside, I also don't think this election is playing or will play much of a role in this decision.
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Aside from polls and politics, I think one of the other deciding factors is that Toyota does not like to build more than one factory per state, Alabama already has a toyota plant, other states that were pulled also had toyota plants.

I think North Carolina is going to get this.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:29 AM
 
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I think North Carolina is going to get this.
At the risk of being overly optimistic, I think so too.
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