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There's already sidewalks in front of their homes. What's the difference if a bike trail gets added? I mean don't people already walk and bike down the sidewalk there? Put it down Pleasantburg and then see how long it takes for a death to happen followed by a city lawsuit.
The sidewalk currently there is not a "marked trail" that would take hundreds of extra people daily in front of their homes. Big difference in a neighborhood sidewalk and a marked trail that routes people from all over the city through their neighborhood. Think about it. It is kind of like the difference of having a two lane street in front of your house, vs a four lane expressway.
Why would a route down Pleasantburg be dangerous? It would be inset into the wooded areas, not slammed up against the road.
Why would a route down Pleasantburg be dangerous? It would be inset into the wooded areas, not slammed up against the rod.
Because it's a six-lane highway where cars drive 50+ mph. You might as well bicycle along the shoulder of I-85. I certainly hope you're right about it going through wooded areas. If it gets installed up against the road along Pleasantburg, I will never use it.
Because it's a six-lane highway where cars drive 50+ mph. You might as well bicycle along the shoulder of I-85. I certainly hope you're right about it going through wooded areas. If it gets installed up against the road along Pleasantburg, I will never use it.
Pssss.....in case you forgot, it is up against a large, busy four lane road in much of northern Greenville County / Travelers Rest.
From my experience, rabbit trail bikers are always courteous and pleasant. I use it a lot around Travelers Rest and Furman and I've never felt unsafe or worried. Of course there are always exceptions but I'm not sure what they are afraid of.
And with low-cost, eco-friendly travel like biking becoming increasingly popular, I would be quite surprised if it lowered home values.
Disclaimer .... I have no skin in this game. I don't live in PM and don't use the trail but I am a property owner that understands the impact that a change of the magnitude being discussed here would have on a neighborhood.
Running a high volume trail through the front yards of this neighborhood would be changing the complexion of the neighborhood significantly. There is a difference between neighborhood sidewalks and a recreational trail with the kind of volume we are talking about with the Swamp Rabbit Trail.
Since there is another suitable option (Pleasantburg), that is less disruptive to the current use ..... use that.
1. the current sidewalk on Parkins Mill is already anywhere between 6 and 12 feet off the street. The Trail would follow that same path. So, if you're turning into your driveway, you and the trail users have more space for recognition of obstacles than a typical street/sidewalk setup. Unless this follows the Parkins Mill side of Pleasantburg, then the business traffic and their curb cuts seem much more dangerous than driveways.
2. Most of the traffic on this stretch of trail is probably going to be local traffic already in the neighborhood anyway. Why not have the sidewalk enhancement? Here's my logic: to the South is the sewer plant. One- that's not a destination; two- it's not a origin for users. To the North is large terrain changes, Greenville Tech, and some apartment complexes that can risk crossing Pleasantburg to go south or head the opposite direction and stay on a much safer route.
It's fine, IMO, for this to follow Pleasantburg, however, I think several things need to happen. The most important is:
-bike lanes and sidewalks need to connect this trail to the furthest reaches of the Gower/Parkins Mill neighborhood
1. the current sidewalk on Parkins Mill is already anywhere between 6 and 12 feet off the street. The Trail would follow that same path. So, if you're turning into your driveway, you and the trail users have more space for recognition of obstacles than a typical street/sidewalk setup. Unless this follows the Parkins Mill side of Pleasantburg, then the business traffic and their curb cuts seem much more dangerous than driveways.
2. Most of the traffic on this stretch of trail is probably going to be local traffic already in the neighborhood anyway. Why not have the sidewalk enhancement? Here's my logic: to the South is the sewer plant. One- that's not a destination; two- it's not a origin for users. To the North is large terrain changes, Greenville Tech, and some apartment complexes that can risk crossing Pleasantburg to go south or head the opposite direction and stay on a much safer route.
It's fine, IMO, for this to follow Pleasantburg, however, I think several things need to happen. The most important is:
-bike lanes and sidewalks need to connect this trail to the furthest reaches of the Gower/Parkins Mill neighborhood
You make great points. I totally agree with your last point.
I would like to feel better about this going through PM, but I just see too many issues.
Just throwing this out, as I'm not really sure...... Why can't the trail continue to follow the Reedy? Once the Reedy makes it way through Cleveland Park, in my mind I kind of lose track of where the riverbed actually goes, but I know it ends up down at Conestee. Are there reasons it couldn't follow the Reedy?
Just throwing this out, as I'm not really sure...... Why can't the trail continue to follow the Reedy? Once the Reedy makes it way through Cleveland Park, in my mind I kind of lose track of where the riverbed actually goes, but I know it ends up down at Conestee. Are there reasons it couldn't follow the Reedy?
I'm guessing that the path through the Riverside Golf Course would be problematic, both in terms of them giving access, losing a strip of land, and a trail user would need to be able to dodge an incoming "Fore" warning.
I'm guessing that the path through the Riverside Golf Course would be problematic, both in terms of them giving access, losing a strip of land, and a trail user would need to be able to dodge an incoming "Fore" warning.
A trail through people's front yards?!? Seriously? That seems like a horrible idea to me. If it were my front yard, I would be fighting it too. There's plenty of land where this trail can go. I vote for closer to Pleasantburg Drive. Who knows, maybe the foot traffic nearby would help some of the businesses along Pleasantburg and add life to it.
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I mean don't people already walk and bike down the sidewalk there? Put it down Pleasantburg and then see how long it takes for a death to happen followed by a city lawsuit.
