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Old 06-05-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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I wanted to see what some of the rest of you thought the upstate areas (mainly between Anderson, Greenville, and Spartanburg, since they'll be affected the most) would be the impacts of expected population changes in our area over the next few years, and how we can be prepared for them. Incase you're not aware of the changes I'm referring to, I'll list them here.

-Increased number of people 60+ moving here.
-Increased number moving from northern states to here.
-Increased number of ethnic people compared with white.

I believe the biggest problem we'll see is traffic. We already have some of the worst and underworked on roads. Also, in regards to more elderly, I believe we'll see an increase in the number of traffic problems and vehicle related injuries/deaths. On a good note though, this will likely cause an increase in healthcare related jobs on top of the boost we've had lately.

What I would like to see from this is our major areas work on transit services so that these citizens are able to get around without depending on a personal vehicle when it may not be safe for them to drive and they have no other alternative (I still remember the day my grandfather with stage 1 alzehimers just grapped the keys and left without anyone knowing and had to be driven back home, which we were fortunate to have someone at his destination know and recognize him)

I'd also like to see us offer more variety and better things to do for people 18-35, as well as put more work into finding good jobs that fit their niche (including college graduate work) and housing, since we obviously are doing well to get older people, but our younger people leaving has been a problem for years. We might should also consider offering some multicultural or culturally related events to be welcoming for other ethinicites who might feel a little out of place here.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: near downtown Greenville, SC (viewing the sunset vicariously at the North Gulf Shore Beach Access)
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My opinion on upcoming population changes in the Upstate

For those retired: with the exception of Oconee County/Lake Keowee, the Upstate is not known as a "retirement haven" (like Asheville/Hendersonvile, NC) - however, there will still be a moderate influx of those 65+ (based soley on our low cost-of-living and gentle 4 season climate)

Relocating from elsewhere: the Upstate has a fairly solid/expanding manufacturing base; however, we need a stronger technology and biotech presence to attract those with college/graduate degrees

Comments on Traffic

Currently, the Upstate interstate system stinks - this will improve somewhat with the expansion of I-385 south and the widening of the I-85/385 interchange; I-85 thru Greenville-Spartanburg desparately needs an additional lane on both sides (further, it needs 6 lanes from the GA to NC state lines). Did no one have the foresight to add one additional lane when the original I-85 expansion took place 15 years ago?

As for rapid transit between Upstate communities: great idea, but extremely expensive - I don't expect anything of consequence in the next decade due to the poor economy.

Lastly, I'd love a complete, uninterrupted route from Greenville to Asheville; but, I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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I agree with that...I'd like to see us gain more corporate offices in the three metros and also gain more of a research and science base. These are the people that will develop the things that will keep our society going.

I also totally agree on the interstate thing, but when it comes to transit I was talking more about incity instead of intercity. We're going to have to do something soon because if we wait it'll be too late. We're only going to keep getting more people and visitors already tell us that the traffic is bad, especially in downtown and shopping areas and people who come regularly say it's getting worse and worse each visit. All it would take is improving old signs, putting out some benches, and increasing hours. Small steps make big differences.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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Give me numbers. I like numbers. How large is the predicted population change? Is it statistically significant?
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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http://www.ipspr.sc.edu/publication/Older%20SC.pdf
http://aging.sc.gov/SiteCollectionDo...chAndStats.pdf
S.C. DHEC: Office of Minority Health: South Carolina’s Minority Population

Those should give you all the data you are looking for. Here are some 'numbers' for you.

-In the next 20 years we can expect our population of S,G, & A counties to go from about 950,000 overall to about 1,300,000.

-Greenville will likely receive about half and it being about 25/25 between Anderson & Spartanburg.

-In 20 years we can also expect the following for the demographics:
>Whites will amount for 59% (not seen since the mid 40's)
>Blacks will amount for 28-29% (going up more than represented mainly due to next point)
>Hispanics will amount for 11-12%, perhaps more. I think it could just as high as 16%
>Those over 50 will account for 32% of the population, over 65, 14%.
>Those 18-30 will account for 29% of the population.

What we need to do now to be prepared in the next 20-30 years for these changes is the following.

-Increase focus on technology and healthcare fields, this will boost our younger population
-Increase efficency and reliability of transit, this will be a boon for all groups, but especially the elderly and disabled.
-Work within communities to support diversitation, prevent gentrification/over-gentrification, and work to support uniting the races and age groups.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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With that all being said above, I would like to add public transit will be the most important. I understand this seems to be harder to understand for a lot of people here (something it took me a while to coop with as I came from several much larger cities) but being transit oriented will be crucial for our future as the roads are already a problem and our disabled and elderly population will continue to rise, as will the number of people young and old who don't have so much money and thus need a cheap way to get around. Greenville seems to be working hard on their's, but Anderson and Spartanburg are lagging far behind. Anderson has a lot of signs that are either gone or badly faded/damaged and has no benchs except maybe for the covered ones at McCants. They also have a 6-6 schedule, no weekend service, hour long waits, no dedicated transit center, and four very long routes.

If we do not plan for this now, we will be seeing every day in a couple of years old people crashing into stores, crossing lanes, getting into wrecks, killing or being killed in accidents, etc. Just remember who you have to share the roads with...
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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This probably deserves its own thread, but.... http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps...nclick_check=1
Just sayin'.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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This probably deserves its own thread, but.... http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps...nclick_check=1
Just sayin'.
Okay...well you were right on that, but what exactly did that have to do with this post? I know you don't always have the most to say, but nothing to contribute to the conversation at all?
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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Okay...well you were right on that, but what exactly did that have to do with this post? I know you don't always have the most to say, but nothing to contribute to the conversation at all?
Someone else on this thread was decrying the lack of good-paying jobs that require higher education.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Someone else on this thread was decrying the lack of good-paying jobs that require higher education.
And they would still be correct. Greenville is about the only area with an almost decent number of them, spartanburg okay, and anderson with very few. We need more higher paying jobs more locally and more diverse to. Manufacturing is great, but lacks a certain potential and often requires specific experience. Id like to see more corporate offices and science/technology related careers move here and do so in local areas instead of just greenville or right beside it. I know many people who don't want to build cars or make tires all their life and don't want to ask if someone wants fries either.
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