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Old 05-29-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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Your child will not DIE from easily preventable diseases; you've bought into the lie, hook, line and sinker. We have an immune system and antibodies for a reason. Your link is a propaganda piece. Almost all vaccines contain aluminum and formaldehyde; injecting those poisons into a little childs body is worse than most of the diseases that you think you're preventing. Btw, did you know that almost all vaccines wear off after 12-15 years? Again, I challenge you to ask your peditrician the ingrediants of the poison that he/she will be shooting into your child. Most likely, they won't have a clue.
The immune system can only handle so much. Many of the diseases that have been squashed would still kill more than without vaccines.

Aluminum is commonly found in many body parts. Its also found in many types of food, including table salt. It is not considered to be toxic, unless at extremely high levels, but the body naturally will remove excess aluminum that it does not need.

Formaldehyde, though toxic, is a natural occurring substance. It exists at levels as a gas in parts of the atmosphere. It is also a byproduct of plant decomposition.

PS: cancer is much higher for mutations build up over the course of a lifetime. A hundred years ago, not many lived long enough to build up these mutations or they had cancer and it was not diagnosed as such.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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I get flu shots...and I dont get the flu. Before I did, I got it every year, sometimes twice. nuff said.
Ha, you're completely clueless. When you get the flu shot, they give you the flu. Plus, when they inject you with that garbage, they don't even know what strain they're injecting you with. The poison in a flu shot is worse than the flu itself.

Among the many toxic flu shot ingredients, the one that some consumers know about - and this is quite widely discussed on Internet forums - is mercury. Almost all flu shots, as well as other vaccines, contain Thimerosal, a mercury disinfectant / preservative. Mercury is extremely toxic. It can cause brain injury and mercury in vaccines have been linked to an epidemic of autism, with the number of children affected by autism having risen by thousands of percent in the last two decades. Mercury can also cause auto immune diseases.

What about Thimerosal-free vaccines? Well, you still have a long list of other toxic flu shot ingredients to deal with. These include:
  • Ethylene glycolis used as antifreeze. Ethylene glycol and its toxic byproducts first affect the central nervous system, then the heart and finally the kidneys. Ingestion of sufficient amounts can be fatal.
  • Phenol, also known as carbolic acid, is used as a disinfectant and dye. Phenol was originally used as an antiseptic in surgery but it use was abandoned because it causes skin irritation. Before and during the Second World War, phenol injections were used by Nazi Germans as a means of rapid execution!
  • Formaldehyde is the chemical used for embalming. It is used in vaccines as a perservative. Formadelhyde is a known cancer-causing agent and it can also cause allergic reactions. Its use in cosmetics is banned in Sweden and Japan.
  • Aluminum is a toxic metal used as an additive in flu shots to promote antibody response. Aluminium is widely associated with Alzheimer's disease and studies have shown that people who received five or more flu shots during a 10-year period has 10 times higher risks of developing Alzheimer's Disease, compared to those who had fewer than two flu shots. Aluminuim has also been shown to cause seizures and cancer in laboratory mice.
  • Antibiotics like Neomycin and Streptomycin are used as, well, antibiotics, They are added to flu shots to kill any bacteria that may be present. These antibiotics can cause allergic reaction in some people.



Finally, the vaccine...
After going through this long list of flu shot ingredients, do you still want to take it? We have not even come to the main ingredient - the vaccine itself, the supposedly weakened or disabled bacteria or virus that is supposed to stimulate the body's immune response.
In the US, a typical flu shot contains three viruses, two A srains and one B strain. The choice of virus is decided by "experts" at the CDC, who make an educated guess as to which viruses are most likely to strike in a given year. If they guessed correctly, the vaccine might be about 70 percent effective. If they guessed wrongly, which they did in 2003/2004 winter, the effectiveness rate plunges to near zero!
How do they produce this virus that goes into flu shots? Or the bacteria that goes into other types of vaccines?
These are cultivated in animal proteins, such as rabbit brain tissue, monkey kidney tissue, pig blood, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells and calf serum. When injected into the body, these proteins turn toxic because proteins have to be broken down into amino acids by the digestive system before they can be utilized.


Flu shot ingredients include mercury, which has been linked to brain injury and autism, and a long list of other toxic chemicals.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:16 PM
 
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Your condescension is only trumped by your willful ignorance. Ask your average pediatrician what the ingredients are in a vaccine shot; I GUARANTEE you that the vast majority won't have a clue, because, like you, they are unquestioning lemmings. Formaldehyde, an embalming fluid that is also used as a wood preserver is found in most vaccines. Why would you willingly choose to inject a tiny child with formaldehyde? You have an immune system an antibodies for a reason, but instead you want to live in fear. I bet you get flu shoots too.
I don't get flu shots.

I actually have a chemical engineering degree and worked manufacturing vaccines for almost 10 years. I have forgotten more about vaccines than you will ever know. Vaccines cause a bad reaction in a very miniscule part of the population and prevent disease in the vast majority of the population. Vaccines have virtually eliminated Smallpox and are very close to eliminating Polio, both diseases that routinely killed thousands of people before immunizations against the diseases were developed. Anyone who buys into the anti-vaccine literature and misinformation is a fool.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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Again, you're creating a false narrative and arguing against it. I never said that they die from it, but the increase in autism (especially in boys) and severe allergies has increased 100 fold since vaccines have become so prevalent. I'm 40, when I was a child we had between 16-18 vaccines by the time we were 18; now it's up to 60; if these vaccines work so well, why such an increase in the amount of them? All I'm saying is to be skeptical and do some research that isn't drug company propaganda. Yet, you blindly argue for something that you know nothing about. That is nonsensical. It is your choice to willingly poison your children, thank God, they haven't had any severe reactions; yet.
Study after study has completely debunked the autism and allergy myths perpetuated by the ignorant. Vaccines will always be changing. As the diseases mutate and change, our vaccines and medicines have to adapt to the changes. It is your choice to risk the lives or your children through non-vaccination. The problem is you are also risking the health of others in the process by reducing the herd immunity and giving these diseases potential hosts to continue to live in and adapt. I hope your children don't die from a disease preventable from vaccination due to your complete ignorance of scientific facts.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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Study after study has completely debunked the autism and allergy myths perpetuated by the ignorant. Vaccines will always be changing. As the diseases mutate and change, our vaccines and medicines have to adapt to the changes. It is your choice to risk the lives or your children through non-vaccination. The problem is you are also risking the health of others in the process by reducing the herd immunity and giving these diseases potential hosts to continue to live in and adapt. I hope your children don't die from a disease preventable from vaccination due to your complete ignorance of scientific facts.
Virtually every single study has been funded by either the CDC or the drug companies themselves. You're a blind sheep blindly following the herd. BAAAAA

Again, almost all vaccines wear off after 12-15 years. If you wish to inject your child with toxins, that is your right, just don't be so ignorant.

P.S. Why don't you get a flu shot; messes up your wool?
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:16 AM
 
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Ha, you're completely clueless. When you get the flu shot, they give you the flu. Plus, when they inject you with that garbage, they don't even know what strain they're injecting you with. The poison in a flu shot is worse than the flu itself.

Among the many toxic flu shot ingredients, the one that some consumers know about - and this is quite widely discussed on Internet forums - is mercury. Almost all flu shots, as well as other vaccines, contain Thimerosal, a mercury disinfectant / preservative. Mercury is extremely toxic. It can cause brain injury and mercury in vaccines have been linked to an epidemic of autism, with the number of children affected by autism having risen by thousands of percent in the last two decades. Mercury can also cause auto immune diseases.

What about Thimerosal-free vaccines? Well, you still have a long list of other toxic flu shot ingredients to deal with. These include:
  • Ethylene glycolis used as antifreeze. Ethylene glycol and its toxic byproducts first affect the central nervous system, then the heart and finally the kidneys. Ingestion of sufficient amounts can be fatal.
  • Phenol, also known as carbolic acid, is used as a disinfectant and dye. Phenol was originally used as an antiseptic in surgery but it use was abandoned because it causes skin irritation. Before and during the Second World War, phenol injections were used by Nazi Germans as a means of rapid execution!
  • Formaldehyde is the chemical used for embalming. It is used in vaccines as a perservative. Formadelhyde is a known cancer-causing agent and it can also cause allergic reactions. Its use in cosmetics is banned in Sweden and Japan.
  • Aluminum is a toxic metal used as an additive in flu shots to promote antibody response. Aluminium is widely associated with Alzheimer's disease and studies have shown that people who received five or more flu shots during a 10-year period has 10 times higher risks of developing Alzheimer's Disease, compared to those who had fewer than two flu shots. Aluminuim has also been shown to cause seizures and cancer in laboratory mice.
  • Antibiotics like Neomycin and Streptomycin are used as, well, antibiotics, They are added to flu shots to kill any bacteria that may be present. These antibiotics can cause allergic reaction in some people.



Finally, the vaccine...
After going through this long list of flu shot ingredients, do you still want to take it? We have not even come to the main ingredient - the vaccine itself, the supposedly weakened or disabled bacteria or virus that is supposed to stimulate the body's immune response.
In the US, a typical flu shot contains three viruses, two A srains and one B strain. The choice of virus is decided by "experts" at the CDC, who make an educated guess as to which viruses are most likely to strike in a given year. If they guessed correctly, the vaccine might be about 70 percent effective. If they guessed wrongly, which they did in 2003/2004 winter, the effectiveness rate plunges to near zero!
How do they produce this virus that goes into flu shots? Or the bacteria that goes into other types of vaccines?
These are cultivated in animal proteins, such as rabbit brain tissue, monkey kidney tissue, pig blood, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells and calf serum. When injected into the body, these proteins turn toxic because proteins have to be broken down into amino acids by the digestive system before they can be utilized.


Flu shot ingredients include mercury, which has been linked to brain injury and autism, and a long list of other toxic chemicals.
Yes, they have to give you a small part of the virus so your immune system can identify it for a stronger attack against the virus when it infects you. Your chances of having a bad reaction/dying from the vaccine is much lower than the rate at which people have a bad case of the flu/die from it.

They always choose the most abundant strains for the chances of getting it are higher than any others. Usually these strains will force the others to minimal existence or extinction.

Got a flu shot in 2003-2004 season and didnt get the flu...wonder why....?

All the "ingredients" are used in such small quantities than in a normal healthy person, it wont see any toxic event for the body will get rid of any excess the body does not take in naturally.

Hate to tell you but...most of those "animal proteins" are naturally in your body anyway, because you know YOU are an ANIMAL! You also eat many of the animals that they use, or at least some part of the human population does. Yes, people eat monkey in some parts of the world.

Hint: Dont get your info from a Christian Science (a truly oxymoron group for they are neither) and listen to true science.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:41 AM
 
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Among the many toxic flu shot ingredients, the one that some consumers know about - and this is quite widely discussed on Internet forums - is mercury. Almost all flu shots, as well as other vaccines, contain Thimerosal, a mercury disinfectant / preservative. Mercury is extremely toxic. It can cause brain injury and mercury in vaccines have been linked to an epidemic of autism, with the number of children affected by autism having risen by thousands of percent in the last two decades. Mercury can also cause auto immune diseases.

What about Thimerosal-free vaccines? Well, you still have a long list of other toxic flu shot ingredients to deal with. These include:
  • Ethylene glycolis used as antifreeze. Ethylene glycol and its toxic byproducts first affect the central nervous system, then the heart and finally the kidneys. Ingestion of sufficient amounts can be fatal.
  • Phenol, also known as carbolic acid, is used as a disinfectant and dye. Phenol was originally used as an antiseptic in surgery but it use was abandoned because it causes skin irritation. Before and during the Second World War, phenol injections were used by Nazi Germans as a means of rapid execution!
  • Formaldehyde is the chemical used for embalming. It is used in vaccines as a perservative. Formadelhyde is a known cancer-causing agent and it can also cause allergic reactions. Its use in cosmetics is banned in Sweden and Japan.
  • Aluminum is a toxic metal used as an additive in flu shots to promote antibody response. Aluminium is widely associated with Alzheimer's disease and studies have shown that people who received five or more flu shots during a 10-year period has 10 times higher risks of developing Alzheimer's Disease, compared to those who had fewer than two flu shots. Aluminuim has also been shown to cause seizures and cancer in laboratory mice.
  • Antibiotics like Neomycin and Streptomycin are used as, well, antibiotics, They are added to flu shots to kill any bacteria that may be present. These antibiotics can cause allergic reaction in some people.



Finally, the vaccine...
After going through this long list of flu shot ingredients, do you still want to take it? We have not even come to the main ingredient - the vaccine itself, the supposedly weakened or disabled bacteria or virus that is supposed to stimulate the body's immune response.
In the US, a typical flu shot contains three viruses, two A srains and one B strain. The choice of virus is decided by "experts" at the CDC, who make an educated guess as to which viruses are most likely to strike in a given year. If they guessed correctly, the vaccine might be about 70 percent effective. If they guessed wrongly, which they did in 2003/2004 winter, the effectiveness rate plunges to near zero!
How do they produce this virus that goes into flu shots? Or the bacteria that goes into other types of vaccines?
These are cultivated in animal proteins, such as rabbit brain tissue, monkey kidney tissue, pig blood, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells and calf serum. When injected into the body, these proteins turn toxic because proteins have to be broken down into amino acids by the digestive system before they can be utilized.


Flu shot ingredients include mercury, which has been linked to brain injury and autism, and a long list of other toxic chemicals.
Please show us a study about the vaccine contents you list actually causing disease in people who get the vaccines. You won't be able to provide such a study because the substances are in such small amounts they don't cause the problems you claim they do.

The dosage level of anything is quite important in determining if it is dangerous, and you completely gloss over it. Water will kill you in high enough doses, yet it is a requirement for life.


Oh, and mercury does not cause autism. http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...-autism-cause/

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P.S. I noticed that you didn't address the fact that most vaccines wear off after 15 years. Is that because you're too prideful to admit that you didn't know something?
So what? Why is this the slightest bit important to the question of whether you should vaccinate your kids? Are you suggesting it is better to have zero years of protection by not vaccinating, rather than vaccinating and having 15 years of protection? Doctors know about the effective durations of vaccines and advise booster shots accordingly.

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Old 05-30-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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The OP wanted us to know about a relevant local event...could we please respect that and the purpose of this forum? This has turned into something that belongs in "Great Debates" sans the personal attacks.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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Your condescension is only trumped by your willful ignorance. Ask your average pediatrician what the ingredients are in a vaccine shot; I GUARANTEE you that the vast majority won't have a clue, because, like you, they are unquestioning lemmings. Formaldehyde, an embalming fluid that is also used as a wood preserver is found in most vaccines. Why would you willingly choose to inject a tiny child with formaldehyde? You have an immune system an antibodies for a reason, but instead you want to live in fear. I bet you get flu shoots too.
Yes. The ingredients are absolutely horrifying. You can look up most of the ingredients for each vaccine at World Assn for Vaccine Education. I think it is novaccine.com or .org. or novaccines (plural). Knowing what I know now I wouldn't go near them with a ten foot pole. Also look up "Death by Medicine, Gary Null PhD"if you really want an education on our "wonderful" "health care" system. Actually Gary Null is just one of about 30 doctors including medical doctors who did the research.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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National issue.
Speaking of this being a national issue, what counts for most of us who live here is whether we get the benefit of knowing whether GMOs are in foods or not here and I'm sorry to report as some of you may know, both Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham voted against the Senate Amendment 965 to the Agricultural Reform Food and Jobs Act of 2013 which would have "permitted" the states to require labeling of GMOs if they wanted to.

Who do Scott and Graham think they are???? How dumb do they think WE are??? Senate vote 135: 113th Congress - C-SPAN Video Library

27 Senators voted for states being able to label and 71 spineless Senators including ours voted against it.
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