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Old 06-19-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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Aiken County Deputy pay starts at 31,700.
Detention Officers start at 26,900.
Aiken Public Safety starts at 35,400.
North Augusta Public Safety starts at 41,700.
While still not great, certainly better than Spartanburg.
You need to pay more to get people to move to that area.
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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Mount Pleasant and North Charleston both start cops at $38,500 (education pending)
The City of Charleston.....$43,000 with a bachelors; Up to $46,000 with a masters.

Also not great. But not too bad. I know Charleston's cost of living is a bit more than Spartanburgs...but is it nearly double? No.
CD........we finally agree. Police, Fire, Medic all are paid way too low. No way $27k is worth risking your like. Not sure of the fire salaries but most of these guys can't work as long due to the stress and physical nature of the job. Having a sound financial package for people who not only love their job but want to help others is not too much to ask.
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:55 AM
 
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Is there a shortage of available workers at the current wage?
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Here in Ontario, Canada, the Provincial Police ( think state Police in the USA ) start at 57 thousand dollars a year, and after five years of service, their annual pay is at 83k, and with overtime and court days, that can exceed 100k dollars a year. Today the exchange rate between the US dollar and the Canadian dollar is 7 cents more for the US dollar . So more or less equal in value.

The OPP patrols an area the size of Texas, with a population of 13 million people, and has 8300 uniform officers. In Ontario, we also have city and town Police services, whose salary rates are within 10 per cent of the OPP annual pay scale.

When you hear about the "high taxes in Canada " remember this information. We also pay our professional fire fighters and EMS paramedics much better than most places in the US.

And of course, all of those folks up here are a part of our universal health care system, that covers all citizens of Canada and legal Immigrants. That cost is also paid for through personal income taxes, and sales taxes.

So...... Higher taxes yes............But much better pay for essential services workers.

Jim B.

Toronto.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Is there a shortage of available workers at the current wage?
What difference does that make?

There wasn't a shortage of children to work 12-18 hours a day for pennies a day back in 1900. I think there were millions of children available to work for almost nothing.

Did that make it right?
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Here in Ontario, Canada, the Provincial Police ( think state Police in the USA ) start at 57 thousand dollars a year, and after five years of service, their annual pay is at 83k, and with overtime and court days, that can exceed 100k dollars a year. Today the exchange rate between the US dollar and the Canadian dollar is 7 cents more for the US dollar . So more or less equal in value.

The OPP patrols an area the size of Texas, with a population of 13 million people, and has 8300 uniform officers. In Ontario, we also have city and town Police services, whose salary rates are within 10 per cent of the OPP annual pay scale.

When you hear about the "high taxes in Canada " remember this information. We also pay our professional fire fighters and EMS paramedics much better than most places in the US.

And of course, all of those folks up here are a part of our universal health care system, that covers all citizens of Canada and legal Immigrants. That cost is also paid for through personal income taxes, and sales taxes.

So...... Higher taxes yes............But much better pay for essential services workers.

Jim B.

Toronto.

And all that pay goes back into the economy, which benefits everybody.

It also makes for more happy people.

Y'all remember the "pursuit of happiness," right?
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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I should also point out that.......The Ontario Provincial Police patrol many different types of locations, from big cities, to small towns, to isolated Aboriginal villages, where the only way in is by aircraft, or boat. That might be a four person detachment. The OPP also patrols all of our 400 series highways ( think US Interstate system ) and in some remote areas of the Province, they are also responsible for Fish and Game enforcement.

So a OPP Constable, who is doing a two year assignment, in Big Pickle Lake, way up north, makes the same pay as a Constable, with the same years of service and rank, who is assigned to a highway patrol unit in the southwestern part of the Province. I call it "small town living , with a big city pay cheque ".

In isolated locations the OPP provides housing, for the officer, and his family, at no cost, except for heating and utilities. Of course they are also provided with all of their clothing, equipment, and weapons, as well as dry cleaning, and laundry of uniforms, and new boots every year, at no cost to them. All of that is a part of their contract with the OPP, which is negotiated every three years, between the OPP association, and the Provincial Government of Ontario.

Life insurance, tuition if they want to take a University degree course that is related to Policing is free, as are long term disability insurance, and at 25 years of service they can retire on a pension, that is 70 percent of the average of their five best "earning years " That OPP pension is in addition to the Canada Pension Plan that we ALL pay into, that comes in at age 65, and also the automatic Old Age Pension, that we are all entitled to at age 65.

Given all that, most OPP officers stay on after 25 years of service, and I know of two who have 35 years in, and are still full time, albeit as senior officers, commanding a district, with as many as 150 officers under their command.

A further point... In Canada, Police officers are NOT armed, when off duty. At the end of their shift, they lock their service weapon in their individual gun locker, at the station, and go home. An off duty cop in Canada...is just another citizen. In very isolated locations officers may be authorised to be armed, when off duty, but it is not a common thing here, and it requires written permission from senior officers to do so.

here is a link to the 2013 OPP pay scale.

Ontario Provincial Police | Careers

The OPP have a recruiting target of having 50 percent female officers by 2016. Being able to fluently speak a foreign language, or a Aboriginal language , is worth 10 extra points, on the interview panel. So is having a 4 year University degree, in a field that directly relates to Policing.

Jim B.

Toronto.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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Mount Pleasant and North Charleston both start cops at $38,500 (education pending)
The City of Charleston.....$43,000 with a bachelors; Up to $46,000 with a masters.

Also not great. But not too bad. I know Charleston's cost of living is a bit more than Spartanburgs...but is it nearly double? No.
Charleston County starting pay is $33k. That's pretty close considering the cost of living differences. I wouldn't consider Spartanburg County to be as dangerous a job as many of you seem to think. The high crime areas of the county are within the city limits.

Sheriff's Office - Charleston County, South Carolina
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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And all that pay goes back into the economy, which benefits everybody.

It also makes for more happy people.

Y'all remember the "pursuit of happiness," right?
I'm all in favor of paying public servants a good wage, but any money paid toward them which they put back into the economy must first be taken out of the economy in the form of taxes. So there is no financial gain above and beyond the benefit of having good happy police officers enforcing the law.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Is there a shortage of available workers at the current wage?
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What difference does that make?
If you have a shortage of police officers that causes increased crime, it makes a huge difference.
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