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View Poll Results: Are you for or against a 1 cent increase in sales tax to repair Greenville County roads?
Yes, I am FOR the tax increase 39 50.65%
No, I am AGAINST the tax increase 38 49.35%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-17-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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Bicycles are one of the best forms of transit there is. No gas is used and you get exercise. It's a big win-win in my opinion. I'm a big advocate of mass and alternative forms of transit.
it isn't pro safety. If a car hits you on a bike, much higher chance you die or sustain long term serious injuries. My opinion, if you don't have lot of sheet metal around you, you sohuldn't be anywhere near a road. The human body just not designed to withstand the force of a car. It would be one if thing if you are biking to get to work but most are just doing it recreationally, and makes more sense to do that on Paris Mountain or a golf course or the Isaqueena trial around Clemson, or the miles of country roads with little traffic around Greenville. You also don't have to stop at red lights or stop signs iin these areas.

I think there area lot of inconsistency in our laws...like you can't smoke in downtown but you can ride a bike in downtown. I'd take my chances with 2nd hand smoke over blunt trauma.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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So you're saying people should not be allowed to walk on sidewalks?
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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So you're saying people should not be allowed to walk on sidewalks?
That would my preference. Makes a lot more sense than most bans I hear proposed.

You aren't making a case walking along sidewalks or bicylcing on busy urban roads is safe. People who do that put their lives in hands of other people driving cars, because they have nothing protecting them from an impact. Drivers make mistakes all the time and lot of drunk drivers, lot of teenage drivers, old people, etc.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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People have every right to walk along the side of roads or bike on them...minus interstates of course. They pay taxes just like you and me.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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People have every right to walk along the side of roads or bike on them...minus interstates of course. They pay taxes just like you and me.
Voters decide what rights are. What you said isn't written on stone somewhere on the side of Paris Mountain. I pay taxes too but I have to do a lo tof things that I think are violation of my rights. I think private business owners should have right to allow something that is legal, smoking, in their restaurants downtown, b/c nothing forces people to eat at those restaurants. Obviously voters had different ideas.

You still haven't made a case riding bike along busy roads is safe. You've talked about everything else but that.

What's wrong with hiking along or biking along interstate? If being near the road isn't dangerous.

If biking and walknig along busy urban roads was banned across country, there probably be 1000 less deaths ever year, miminum. Also be lot less blunt trauma bodies that physicians and nurses see in hospitals which has to be a pretty horrific thing to take in. You also got to think that drivers who accidently hit pedistrians and bikers and kill them can get pretty messed up pyschologically about that.

That is a pretty good ban idea, I think. I'm a Safety Nazi, I'll admit it. I can't and wont apologize for that. I want people to live out there days and not go out by blunt trauma.

Other day, 3 kids decided who were standing in median on Pelham decided to see if they could outrun my car and I almost ran over 2 of them. If my car wasn't small and light and couldn't break on a dime, I would have hit those two. If I had not been expectign the worse and anticipated they might do this, I would have killed them. When I stoped, those two were 1 foot from front of my car. I had a talk to those kids and i guarantee you they don't hang on on the road anymore.

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Old 10-18-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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For anyone interested, here is the list of road improvements to be done. Number 1 is a road parallel to Woodruff Road, going from Miller (across from Lowe's) to Verdae, which should significantly reduce the traffic burden on the worst stretch of Woodruff.

http://www.greenvillecounty.org/road...ssionFinal.pdf

I will vote no and for a few reasons:
#1: I pay for road and infrastructure maintenance/improvements already and the fact that the state can't be good stewards with my tax money does not mean I should give them more.That's like my employees blowing their paycheck on lottery scratch off tickets and coming in on Monday telling me I need to give them another paycheck since they wasted the one I gave them Friday.

#2:
The county decided to OK all of these building permits for Cabela's, Dave and Busters, etc. along with The Shops at Greenridge. The need for a parallel road was apparent before all of this started but they approved the permits anyway. The reason they did that was because of the massive taxes (property, sales, and income) it would bring in. That windfall should easily pay for a parallel road to be developed and then some. Anyone with a decent sense of being money-wise would vote no for this tax increase. They need to stop all of the construction projects occurring in Horry and Charleston (where the 2 elected officials who control the state's allocation of highway funding are from) and spend the money to support the areas in line with the revenue generated and paid by those areas.
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Old 10-18-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Yes, taxes going from 6% to 7% is technically a 17% rise in sales tax. But that is obviously a slanted/misleading way of saying things, and is meant to confuse people, which it will.

The grocery tax issue is also a scare tactic, taking advantage of an admitted misunderstanding of state law.

I don't see it as slanted or misleading. Every product I purchase in the county will cost me 17% more in taxes than it would if this was not passed. Maybe you feel since income taxes would not be increased specifically it's misleading, but it's a 17% increase nonetheless.

We are taxed and taxed already. (Income, Property, Sales). We are paying into a Social Security fund that will likely never pay back out a cent to me. We are supporting people by paying for housing, food, etc. yet some of those same people (who should be ready and willing to work if a job becomes available) do not want to submit to random drug testing as it's an invasion of their privacy. How can you be ready and willing to work if you can't pass a drug test? I don't want to live in a socialist state. Helping my fellow citizens I have no issue with as long as they are not gaming the system or taking advantage of my generosity.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Greer
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At first I was going to say that both numbers (1 percentage point increase, versus 17% increase in the tax) were equally accurate ways at looking at the tax. And they are equally accurate, mathematically speaking.

But the way people will look at this that is most relevant to their lives is, how is my personal shopping budget affected? And the answer is, if you used to pay $106 for a product, it will now cost you $107. That is just under a 1% impact in your personal budget.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I don't see it as slanted or misleading. Every product I purchase in the county will cost me 17% more in taxes than it would if this was not passed. Maybe you feel since income taxes would not be increased specifically it's misleading, but it's a 17% increase nonetheless.

We are taxed and taxed already. (Income, Property, Sales). We are paying into a Social Security fund that will likely never pay back out a cent to me. We are supporting people by paying for housing, food, etc. yet some of those same people (who should be ready and willing to work if a job becomes available) do not want to submit to random drug testing as it's an invasion of their privacy. How can you be ready and willing to work if you can't pass a drug test? I don't want to live in a socialist state. Helping my fellow citizens I have no issue with as long as they are not gaming the system or taking advantage of my generosity.
You need to turn off your radio and/or stop watching Fox News because almost everything you write does not reflect reality.

Social Security does so well that we have been stealing from it from years. It is very solvent and will be even more so with a few minor tweaks (like raising the ceiling on taxable income higher than 117K).

Very few people are gaming the system, and most of those people have been on Fox News (joke). When drug testing has been tried, hardly anyone was found to have drugs in their system. Those drug-testing policies were stopped mainly because they were a huge waste of taxpayer money.

Taxes are historically very, very low, especially when you compare us to other developed countries. We are getting off very cheap, but unfortunately our infrastructure is degrading as we stop investing in it like the people that came before us did. It's a shame that Republicans (starting with Reagan) have demonized investing in our country. Very unAmerican, IMO.

Raising sales tax by 1% ≠ a socialist state. Again, turn off the radio and Fox News.

And paying your taxes isn't being generous, it's being a proud American. It's your duty and part of living in such a great nation.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Here is a link to all the projects that will be fixed when the referendum passes:

County of Greenville, SC

Some maps:

http://www.greenvillecounty.org/road...bridgesmap.pdf
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/road...rfacingmap.pdf
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/road...estrainmap.pdf
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/road...vementsmap.pdf

BTW, there is a bridge in one of my regular routes that is now closed indefinitely because it was deemed unsafe upon inspection.

It's crazy we have let things get this far! Closed bridges???
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