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Ok you also called me a homer which also supports my interpretation, not to mention it was a dishonest characterization of my comments on other things like the roads.
anyway, i should not even express an opinion on live music and I broke my own policy of not talking about something Asheville related.
Athens, Greensboro, WS have more college students than Greenville. They are different markets for live music. Live music is generally more popular among young people.
I agree with you 100% that those cities get more stops because of having college students etc. You're just backing up my point that Greenville has not been on touring bands' radars for a while. Not because Greenville is a bad city - it's a really good city. There are just other outside factors that have made it not great in this *one* aspect (drawing touring bands)
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I never said that bands aren't playing in other places. Greenville is a large market compared to most of the metroes in this country so it doesn't seem to me a band is that popular if they don't do a show here.
You said this exact thing:
"I think that most of the bands that you are talking about don't have a strong following. If they aren't playing in Greenville, they aren't playing in a lot of places."
But instead, it's the opposite: those were mostly major, billboard charting bands with large followings, grammys, etc. and they aren't stopping in Greenville regularly because they are already playing a lot of surrounding cities that Greenville has to fight with to get shows (because, as you have already pointed out yourself: the other cities are bigger, because they have colleges and thus more likely concert-goers etc.).
It kind of seems like you're arguing two opposing things: 1) 'Don't compare Greenville to other surrounding cities - it's not fair because of course there is better live music in bigger cities (charlotte, atlanta, etc.) and cities with college students (athens, asheville, gboro, winston, etc.).' But at the same time you're arguing 2) 'those bands that are playing the other cities but not Greenville must not be very popular, because Greenville is big enough to pull anyone who actually has any sort of real following' Those are fairly opposing statements
Unfortunately live shows for a band on tour are kind of a limited, set quantity. It's not like opening a cheescake factory or a cabela's or anthropolgie, where you just build a new one if the demand is there. Bands tour X amount of days of the year. And they only stop so many places in a certain geographical area. So, they might stop 3/4 places in NC/SC/GA on a tour. And all of these cities are fighting for those stops. As I stated before, you often have to 'win' or 'steal' bands from surrounding cities on a tour - it's a bit of a zero sum game. If a band plans 4 stops in GA/SC/NC total then a show in Greenville basically means they aren't stopping somewhere else. And they have so many choices ahead of Greenville with more proven concert-goers it's tough for Greenville to steal from another city.
It says nothing bad about the city of Greenville, and absolutely doesn't mean a band isn't big enough, it just is a fact of the matter.
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I agree with you 100% that those cities get more stops because of having college students etc. You're just backing up my point that Greenville has not been on touring bands' radars for a while. Not because Greenville is a bad city - it's a really good city. There are just other outside factors that have made it not great in this *one* aspect (drawing touring bands)
You said this exact thing:
"I think that most of the bands that you are talking about don't have a strong following. If they aren't playing in Greenville, they aren't playing in a lot of places."
But instead, it's the opposite: those were mostly major, billboard charting bands with large followings, grammys, etc. and they aren't stopping in Greenville regularly because they are already playing a lot of surrounding cities that Greenville has to fight with to get shows (because, as you have already pointed out yourself: the other cities are bigger, because they have colleges and thus more likely concert-goers etc.).
It kind of seems like you're arguing two opposing things: 1) 'Don't compare Greenville to other surrounding cities - it's not fair because of course there is better live music in bigger cities (charlotte, atlanta, etc.) and cities with college students (athens, asheville, gboro, winston, etc.).' But at the same time you're arguing 2) 'those bands that are playing the other cities but not Greenville must not be very popular, because Greenville is big enough to pull anyone who actually has any sort of real following' Those are fairly opposing statements
Unfortunately live shows for a band on tour are kind of a limited, set quantity. It's not like opening a cheescake factory or a cabela's or anthropolgie, where you just build a new one if the demand is there. Bands tour X amount of days of the year. And they only stop so many places in a certain geographical area. So, they might stop 3/4 places in NC/SC/GA on a tour. And all of these cities are fighting for those stops. As I stated before, you often have to 'win' or 'steal' bands from surrounding cities on a tour - it's a bit of a zero sum game. If a band plans 4 stops in GA/SC/NC total then a show in Greenville basically means they aren't stopping somewhere else. And they have so many choices ahead of Greenville with more proven concert-goers it's tough for Greenville to steal from another city.
It says nothing bad about the city of Greenville, and absolutely doesn't mean a band isn't big enough, it just is a fact of the matter.
I'm not interested in arguing with a person currently living in Dallas about Greenville's music scene. I think Greenville has a decent music scene, you disagree. This has been established in previous interactions. It is ok if you don't think Greenville has a music scene. I'm only stating my opinions.
My point is Greenville should be compared to similar metros, not to large cities and college towns and tourist towns, and these are the towns you listed. I don't see what is controversial about this. Most of the towns in the south near Greenville have large colleges in their downtown areas. Raleigh, Columbia, Charleston, Athens, Atlanta, Knoxville, Charlotte etc.
The bands that you guys have listed aren't that popular. That doesn't mean they are bad bands, it just they are a niche genre. I think that is you surveyed Americans on those bands, 99 plus percent could not name a single song by many of those bands. Even a band like Blues Traveler only had limited commercial success because most of their songs are so harmonica centric.
My point is Greenville does have a lot of more mainstream acts come to town. I am sure Greenville gets more popular acts on a regular basis than Asheville and Athens. So there is a tradeoff. I'd rather live somewhere that attracts more mainstream bands than a place that attracts more niche groups.
I'm not against a music venue like Orange Peel opening up in Greenville. What's the issue? I hope this new venue does well.
Btw, the Heritage Park Amphitheater in Simpsonville is the 4th largest outdoor venue in the Carolinas and Georgia if I am not mistaken. I don't think some of these cities that Greenville is compared to have an outdoor venue like this. Black Keys, Mumford & Sons, Darius Rucker, etc have played this venue in recent years.
I understand bands don't play every city on a tour. For example, Pearl Jam last year played in Greenville and Columbia, but not in Charleston and I don't think they had anything planned for Asheville. When is the last time Pearl Jam had a hit song? Their prime as a band was back in the mid 90s yet they still can do an arena show in Greenville.
Bon Jovi recently kicked off their tour in Greenville at the arena, and I think they've only had 1 hit since the 1980s, and that was back in 2000 or so.
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So, just curious, what do you guys think of the new Firmament in GVL?
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