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Old 05-17-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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What happens when people want to remove Martin Luther King, Jr. from statues, roads, bridges, schools, etc.?

Wade Hampton High School has been what it is for a long time. I do not see a change occurring.
MLK wasn't a bigot or a man of hate. Total opposites. MLK just wanted everyone to be judged on character not race. Bad comparison.
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:04 PM
 
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MLK wasn't a bigot or a man of hate. Total opposites. MLK just wanted everyone to be judged on character not race. Bad comparison.
I agree, bad comparison.. but a better one would be Nelson Mandela.. Started out advocating non-violence.. But that changed.

And there's several schools around the US named after him.

And, I will say.. I'd have more of a problem with naming a school after Wade Hampton today.. But changing the name of a school that has been around for quite some time I don't like. The better time to have done this would have been when they rebuilt the school a few years back.
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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I agree, bad comparison.. but a better one would be Nelson Mandela.. Started out advocating non-violence.. But that changed.

And there's several schools around the US named after him.
What violence did he advocate? He is also not American. Still didn't own slaves. Very little named for him over here in the states anyways. I'd have to look it up to find anything.
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Old 05-17-2017, 09:07 PM
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According to a news story this evening, removing the name of a historical person from a building in South Carolina takes a 2/3rds majority in the legislature. It is out of the hands of the school and the trustees.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:01 PM
 
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Nelson Mandela's legacy: As a leader, he was willing to use violence - LA Times

Welcome - Nelson Mandela High School - K765 - New York City Department of Education

Nelson Mandela Elementary

Just as many as Nixon..

So, someone had to be American for you to care.. Ok.. Emperor Hirohito Elementary? Adolph Hitler High? They're not American, and they didn't own slaves. It'd only be one or two schools. so.. good to go?

Remember that the 'Great Emancipator' said that he didn't give a rats' butt about the slaves. If he could end the war and free them all or if he could end the war and slavery continued.. Either was fine with him. So.. Should his name come off?

Don't forget you'll also need to change the name of Calhoun Falls. Lake Calhoun is named for John C Calhoun, because he organized the expedition to it. Had nothing to do with slavery.. So, should that be changed? Lest we forget, there's a Calhoun County, SC as well.. Calhoun was generally regarded as a nasty SOB.

What about all the northerners who profited from slavery? The cotton didn't stay in the south. So, many northerners were profiting from it. What about someone who grew up in a family that had slaves, but never owned any himself? How many degrees of separation does offense last?

Again, I went to Stonewall Jackson High.. Lived near Lee Blvd in Virginia.. I never once thought of the naming of those places having thing one to do with slavery. They were great Civil War generals, and that's the reason for naming things after them. Was right off Braddock Rd. Also lived in Prince William County.. Should that last one be renamed? It's not named for the current one. We fought against them..
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:19 AM
 
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Nelson Mandela's legacy: As a leader, he was willing to use violence - LA Times

Welcome - Nelson Mandela High School - K765 - New York City Department of Education

Nelson Mandela Elementary

Just as many as Nixon..

So, someone had to be American for you to care.. Ok.. Emperor Hirohito Elementary? Adolph Hitler High? They're not American, and they didn't own slaves. It'd only be one or two schools. so.. good to go?

Remember that the 'Great Emancipator' said that he didn't give a rats' butt about the slaves. If he could end the war and free them all or if he could end the war and slavery continued.. Either was fine with him. So.. Should his name come off?

Don't forget you'll also need to change the name of Calhoun Falls. Lake Calhoun is named for John C Calhoun, because he organized the expedition to it. Had nothing to do with slavery.. So, should that be changed? Lest we forget, there's a Calhoun County, SC as well.. Calhoun was generally regarded as a nasty SOB.

What about all the northerners who profited from slavery? The cotton didn't stay in the south. So, many northerners were profiting from it. What about someone who grew up in a family that had slaves, but never owned any himself? How many degrees of separation does offense last?

Again, I went to Stonewall Jackson High.. Lived near Lee Blvd in Virginia.. I never once thought of the naming of those places having thing one to do with slavery. They were great Civil War generals, and that's the reason for naming things after them. Was right off Braddock Rd. Also lived in Prince William County.. Should that last one be renamed? It's not named for the current one. We fought against them..

Let's not forget Thomas Clemson was John C. Calhoun's son-in-law and they both had connections to a plantation with slaves. Anyone want to change the name of Clemson?

Disclaimer: I'm a huge Gamecock fan but definitely DO NOT WANT to change Clemson's name. This is also going on in Virginia -- there are professors at UVA who want to ban Thomas Jefferson's name. On lefty blogs there has been talk of tearing down the Jefferson Memorial and Washington Monument in DC. Are Democrats just trying to eliminate any US History before Woodrow Wilson and the great Progressive movement?
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Let's not forget Thomas Clemson was John C. Calhoun's son-in-law and they both had connections to a plantation with slaves. Anyone want to change the name of Clemson?

Disclaimer: I'm a huge Gamecock fan but definitely DO NOT WANT to change Clemson's name. This is also going on in Virginia -- there are professors at UVA who want to ban Thomas Jefferson's name. On lefty blogs there has been talk of tearing down the Jefferson Memorial and Washington Monument in DC. Are Democrats just trying to eliminate any US History before Woodrow Wilson and the great Progressive movement?
Those far left blogs are just the polar end of Breitbart, Infowars, etc. It's only the extreme left who wants every single thing erased, and it's the hard right who think the whole country is under attack.

I lived in Washington last year, and worked with someone from UVA, and never heard of people wanting to tear down the monuments or ban Jefferson. The only thing people in DC want changed is "Jefferson Davis Hwy" and a statue in Alexandria. The statue is going to be moved from the middle of the street to a museum on the same street. It's not going in storage somewhere. And both the street and statue have been debated in NOVA for years. It's not new.

Most of America, and most democrats, do not care or have no strong opinion. It's the vocal extreme leaning folks on both ends who are making everything awful and seem worse than it is.

The monuments and Jefferson aren't going anywhere. There's no war on history.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Those far left blogs are just the polar end of Breitbart, Infowars, etc. It's only the extreme left who wants every single thing erased, and it's the hard right who think the whole country is under attack.

I lived in Washington last year, and worked with someone from UVA, and never heard of people wanting to tear down the monuments or ban Jefferson. The only thing people in DC want changed is "Jefferson Davis Hwy" and a statue in Alexandria. The statue is going to be moved from the middle of the street to a museum on the same street. It's not going in storage somewhere. And both the street and statue have been debated in NOVA for years. It's not new.

Most of America, and most democrats, do not care or have no strong opinion. It's the vocal extreme leaning folks on both ends who are making everything awful and seem worse than it is.

The monuments and Jefferson aren't going anywhere. There's no war on history.

Richmond Times Dispatch is hardly an extreme paper.

U.Va. faculty, students ask Sullivan not to quote Jefferson | Virginia | richmond.com

Theresa Sullivan -- UVA President


And, except for a few years here and there. (And family roots to the 18th century), I've lived in the cesspool of DC my entire life, even working briefly on Capitol Hill. I am anxious to retire and get the Sam Hill out of here forever.

It is a growing movement to erase the traces of the Founding Fathers. Look at New Orleans statues coming down as we type. There was an article in this morning's news about re-naming JEB Stuart High School in Fairfax County. That Confederate Soldier in Alexandria should have been moved years ago because of traffic issues.

But get ready, they're riled up and coming with the pitchforks all over the South.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/tens...hool/440607017

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Old 05-18-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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Richmond Times Dispatch is hardly an extreme paper.

U.Va. faculty, students ask Sullivan not to quote Jefferson | Virginia | richmond.com

Theresa Sullivan -- UVA President


And, except for a few years here and there. (And family roots to the 18th century), I've lived in the cesspool of DC my entire life, even working briefly on Capitol Hill. I am anxious to retire and get the Sam Hill out of here forever.

It is a growing movement to erase the traces of the Founding Fathers. Look at New Orleans statues coming down as we type. There was an article in this morning's news about re-naming JEB Stuart High School in Fairfax County. That Confederate Soldier in Alexandria should have been moved years ago because of traffic issues.

But get ready, they're riled up and coming with the pitchforks all over the South.
You said they wanted to "ban" Jefferson. That article was talking about how some of the school don't want Jefferson "quoted." That's two different things. That said, there's 24,500 students and staff at UVA. That article says 469 signed a petition. That's 1.9% of the school - a vocal minority, like I said.

I'm sorry you hate DC, but that has nothing to do with a war on names, which there isn't one. Everything is dealing with buildings and statues. I really don't see why a statue is such a big deal, but apparently it really strikes a nerve since they need security in New Orleans while they remove them.

Robert E Lee himself didn't want to be honored that way, and he was given a statue anyway. The statue in Alexandria is being moved out of the middle of the street and into a museum inside, but on the same street. People have wanted those statues in New Orleans gone forever. There was an attempt back in 1981, before "crazy Millennials" that are typically blamed for this, were born. Most Millennials really don't care.

And those guys are not Founding Fathers.....Founding Fathers are Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, Monroe, Madison, and Ben Franklin. There is no war on them nor a mass movement to erase these men. Some hard leaning blog wants Washington's signature obelisk to come down...but they don't speak for the vast majority of Americans.

The only pitchforks will be coming from the vocal minority hard left and vocal minority hard right. Most Americans really don't care. This is nothing new though and it's not just about the south. Go out west and there's been a growing stink forever about naming places and mascots after Native tribes.
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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Nelson Mandela's legacy: As a leader, he was willing to use violence - LA Times

Welcome - Nelson Mandela High School - K765 - New York City Department of Education

Nelson Mandela Elementary

Just as many as Nixon..

So, someone had to be American for you to care.. Ok.. Emperor Hirohito Elementary? Adolph Hitler High? They're not American, and they didn't own slaves. It'd only be one or two schools. so.. good to go?

Remember that the 'Great Emancipator' said that he didn't give a rats' butt about the slaves. If he could end the war and free them all or if he could end the war and slavery continued.. Either was fine with him. So.. Should his name come off?

Don't forget you'll also need to change the name of Calhoun Falls. Lake Calhoun is named for John C Calhoun, because he organized the expedition to it. Had nothing to do with slavery.. So, should that be changed? Lest we forget, there's a Calhoun County, SC as well.. Calhoun was generally regarded as a nasty SOB.

What about all the northerners who profited from slavery? The cotton didn't stay in the south. So, many northerners were profiting from it. What about someone who grew up in a family that had slaves, but never owned any himself? How many degrees of separation does offense last?

Again, I went to Stonewall Jackson High.. Lived near Lee Blvd in Virginia.. I never once thought of the naming of those places having thing one to do with slavery. They were great Civil War generals, and that's the reason for naming things after them. Was right off Braddock Rd. Also lived in Prince William County.. Should that last one be renamed? It's not named for the current one. We fought against them..
Don't have time to read all of this. The point is, I don't agree with glorifying slave owners or racist people. If that's you then have at it. Just don't touch anyone.
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