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Old 05-18-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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The person I was talking to lives in Virginia, but as you love to point out every change you get, I don't live in Greenville city limits, and I'm sorry that bothers you so much. No one else seems to care. You should tell Lynchhburg Lover to "stop posting so frequently" too, or does the "Greenville city residents only" rule only apply to me?

The whole conservation drifted awhile ago from Wade Hampton to a general debate on changing names in general. Many people have contributed. You yourself just went on a tangent about Brietbart, which has nothing to do with WHHS. But okay.

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Old 05-19-2017, 04:35 AM
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NOT the politics forum. Just fyi, as I just had to remove 14 posts.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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I don't see a name change happening. If the legislature won't take up discussion of changing the name of Tillman Hall at Clemson, they certainly will not discuss WHHS. Not going to happen.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:48 AM
 
Location: The Berkshire Hills of Ma, Taylors SC
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Asha Marie, the WHHS student who started the petition discussed here, gets my respect . I hope she has a long and successful life after high school. I believe she will.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:55 AM
 
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If this Politically Correctness nonsense is allowed to continue to it's natural conclusion, we will only name streets, buildings, etc. after trees and flowers.

Of the first 12 Presidents, all but two, (John Adams, John Quincy Adams) owned slaves. Two later ones owned slaves as well, including U.S. Grant (Union General). Lincoln, accurately called the Great Emancipator, himself did not see blacks and whites as equals during MOST or all of his lifetime. Slavery was a part of the world they were born into and to judge them by 2017 sensibilities is not right. It also begs the same judgment one day on our own generation.

The human race is flawed. Everyone has done good and bad in their lives. The High School was not named for WH BECAUSE he was a slave owner, but because of the good things he did in his lifetime.

The people of THEIR time, choose to honor them in that way, and barring NEW and previously unknown information coming to light, I don't think it is right to change the name now. We can progress as a society and still can respect tradition and respect history.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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I'm sorry. I can't really respect a person who enslaved my ancestors or uses bigotry and hate. Like I said. Those who don't think it's that big of a deal should have the opportunity to be on the other side of this type of ignorance.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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The problem with that Vic, is that someone will surely file a lawsuit that Tulip has a longer street than Daisy, that Snapdragon is an insensitive term, that Dandelion shouldn't be excluded because it's ok to be a weed, etc.

The way this progressionist movement is going, 150 years from now Max Heller will be vilified as an evil capitalist and we will be taking his monument on Main St. down as well.

We're all slaves to banks and/or the government. Seven generations off the boat, working the same farm, miss a tax payment and they take it away. Sounds like fair masters, eh?

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Old 05-20-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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Just some thoughts:While I agree that we should not intentionally name new places or things after people who stood for or labored for issues that were hurtful towards others, we should be careful of just changing longstanding names based on being offended by them today. As others have eluded to, we would quickly run out of names, to call anything, if we stuck to a list that drew no offense from someone. In my opinion, we would be better off learning from the hurtful actions or words of many of these individuals and teaching future generations how to treat other better than exerting so much energy in simply trying to remove a name in an attempt to strike it from our memory. As Vic mentioned, all people are guilty of bad speech and deeds at some point in their lives, if we are waiting for perfect people to use as namesakes, we'll have to start using the naming system of letters and numbers astronomers use for celestial bodies. People can choose to be offended by absolutely anything or anyone and attempting to remove all objects of offense is simply pointless. You cannot prevent people from being offended.
As for slavery; it's hard to argue that it's one of the most egregious institutions of human history. And while it would be inaccurate to say it has no racist implications for our county's past, slavery itself does not. Slavery has been present since the beginning of human history, and virtually all nations and ethnic groups have been it's victim at some point. Slavery is hardly a product of America or the American South, nor of white Americans. I think is just easier for modern Americans to blame white American southerners than look a little deeper. Unfortunately slavery may be more widespread today around the world than ever before, and in many different forms. While we should never forget the evils of slavery in our country's past, we cannot hope to progress as a country until we are willing to discontinue living in it's grip. There are many in our country today who choose to hold on to the past, some who still see themselves as a victim. The good news is our country let go the institution (as Americans normally perceive it) a long time ago. Perhaps those looking to fight modern battles over slavery would have more impact in helping in countries and in markets where slavery is still rampant, for example in SE Asia where the child slave market is epidemic, or in modern African countries where Africans are still bought and sold by the millions, or even the streets of our own country where women and children are victimized everyday for sex, drugs, and money.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'The Waterfall City'
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The human race is flawed. Everyone has done good and bad in their lives. The High School was not named for WH BECAUSE he was a slave owner, but because of the good things he did in his lifetime.
He was the first Democrat to win in SC since the Civil War after several years of Republican rule. He was affiliated with Red Shirts who used violence and intimidation to suppress black votes.

It appears Hampton only won by about 1100 votes, despite the violence and intimidation of black voters. So we have a school named after a man who didn't truly win the election. Apparently his election was the bloodiest election cycle in the history of the state. SC's population was about 60 percent black at the end of the Civil War so without intimidation a politician like Wade Hampton could not have won.

He was referred to as The Savior of SC and a Redeemer by his voters. The people who named a school after him had to see his white supremacy agenda as a good thing.

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Old 05-21-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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The person I was talking to lives in Virginia, but as you love to point out every change you get, I don't live in Greenville city limits, and I'm sorry that bothers you so much. No one else seems to care. You should tell Lynchhburg Lover to "stop posting so frequently" too, or does the "Greenville city residents only" rule only apply to me?

The whole conservation drifted awhile ago from Wade Hampton to a general debate on changing names in general. Many people have contributed. You yourself just went on a tangent about Brietbart, which has nothing to do with WHHS. But okay.

And we are in the process of relocating to Spartanburg.

Be sure to read the article in the Greenville paper re changing names
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